Talk:Notable public houses in the United Kingdom.
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The following are basically guidlines on what should be included in the article, and thus have been moved from the articlespace here. -R. fiend 05:23, 3 February 2006 (UTC) :
These should have some distinctive feature or history, so all entries should be justified by a sentence or two.
Pubs are, ipso facto, commercial premises, so any claims to fame presented by an individual hostelry should be treated carefully. Claims vary from the well-nigh indisputable (no-one, for example, seriously doubts that Samuel Johnson frequented the Olde Cheshire Cheese) to the extremely dubious - pub landlords delight in maintaining that their premises are haunted, a useful phenomenon to stress when business seems to be falling off.
Between these two extremes, there are a host of claims that should be objectively verifiable, such as the contenders for smallest pub in Britain (The Guinness Book of Records awards this to the Nutshell, below.) but still remain disputed. And less easily verified are claims to be the oldest pub in a given area. One thing that makes this open to dispute is the habit that pubs have of claiming the mantle of a previous establishment, often with a different name, on the same site or nearby - for example The Prospect of Whitby on the site of the old Devil's Tavern.
Nonetheless, many pubs with dubious claims can be worthwhile in their own right, and many are listed buildings, so irrespective of the exact truth in these matters, the architecture, history and, of course, the beer, can be enjoyed regardless.
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[edit] Name change
This article was moved from Notable British public houses to Notable United Kingdom public houses, the reason cited being "includes Northern Ireland". Considering Northern Ireland is part of the UK, and the nationality of the UK is British, there was no need for the move.
I think the title is a mouthful in any case, and people are probably more likely to search the 'pedia for "British pubs" rather than "United Kingdom pubs". The new title should also surely have taken the form 'Notable public houses in the United Kingdom'.
If there are no objections, I will consider moving it back to the original title. --Mal 02:20, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Done. --Mal 22:26, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Northern England Pubs
I'm not one with much of a knowledge of these things, but there seems to be a decidedly southern theme to the list. I guess a lot of history is southern (i.e. near London) but there must be something more than the handful given. I have heard many about Guy Fawkes for York but no idea how to verify them.
[edit] UK/British
The UK is ' The United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland'
NI is a part of the UK but not Great Britain & the correct (i.e. pedantic) nationality with reference to Northern Ireland is not British but Northern Irish/Irish. Many NI residents (me included) resent being called British. We can just about stomach UK! I think it should be changed back, but that's just my view, or how about 'Notable UK & Irish pubs'
- There are no pubs in Ireland listed, only some in Northern Ireland. I think the name is correct as it is. -- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 09:09, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Surely Northern Ireland is in Ireland?
- Strictly speaking, no. Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom whereas Ireland (or to be more precise The Republic of Ireland is its own enitity. Ireland has its own government, whereas Northern Ireland comes under the jurisdiction of London; Ireland's currency is the Euro, whereas Northern Ireland's is the pound. -- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 12:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I note that Ireland is an island (as is Britain) and that by extension anything located in either the Republic of Ireland or in Northern Ireland is by definition 'in Ireland'. Don't confuse the political identity of the two regimes on the island with the simple fact that the name of the island is Ireland and that anything attached to that island is 'in Ireland'.
I am from N. Ireland. And as we say here 'don't teach your grandmother how to suck eggs!'. Himselfetc 13:39, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Victoria Hotel, Beeston
I've added back the entry for the Victoria Hotel, Beeston, as it has a Wikipedia article, unlike many of the other entries. I can't see any argument for deletion of this entry as self-promotion which wouldn't also apply to most of the others. -- MightyWarrior 23:48, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
