Talk:Nose ring (animals)
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[edit] Claim of Bias
I believe this article could be viewed as being biased- there's no need to explain how dangerous a bull can be; all that really needs to be said is that it's used to control the bull.
Response Perhaps it would put this in perspective if you considered why only bulls, not cows, are nose-ringed. I do not believe that a direct statement of why you need to nose-ring a bull (i.e., because it is too powerful and dangerous to be controlled by halters, bridles or mere herding of unrestrained animals, as cows are commonly herded) is in any way indicative of bias. To the contrary, I wonder about the sensibility that suggests this as an implication of bias.Elcajonfarms 15:15, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Nonsense
I'm also unconvinced that it most of this would work. What's to stop the bull running forwards, nose, ring, string, lying down or driving the staff into you? As for the tractor story who would drive down the paddock with an angry bull at your back and then have to release him or whatever. Sounds like another April Fools Day joke! Even bull fighting or feral bulls don't have geier hitches or nose rings applied when captured and believe me they can be agro. Cgoodwin (talk) 07:29, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
It seems to me that you are injecting an incredible amount of POV into this discussion--evidently you prefer your own undocumented experience with your own techniques (for which I see no citations whatsoever in your edits) to the documented and extensively cited recommendations of veterinarian guides, published show society rules and farm equipment manufacturers that have been added in the footnotes and sources for this article, most of whom recommend the use of a bull staff in combination with a rope or halter or alone. Not to mention the efforts of farm families to control bulls by other means, recounted in a number of published memoirs that have also been cited in the text, which you seem to want to deny ever occurred for undisclosed POV reasons of your own. elcajonfarms 15:09, 6 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elcajonfarms (talk • contribs)
- I must weigh in here. From my Ynakee perspective, let me reassure you that Cgoodwin is still a relatively new user, but is very knowledgable about agricultural practices in Australia, and while the use of footnotes needs to be improved, this user's statements "ring" as credible. Expertise in the field doesn't always translate to mastery of wiki markup language for footnotes, so I would hope that you could reach an effective compromise here. Also note that "bull staff" in the USA is, in reality, more often an electric cattle prod! Some of what is going on here are just regional differences in handling practices. Montanabw(talk) 17:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Only bovines?
I thought pigs are often nose ringed for control of boars and to discourage rooting? VanTucky 03:11, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- I've put in a section on pigs – I've described it as done in the New Forest, but it perhaps needs a wider perspective. --Richard New Forest (talk) 20:12, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Bull handling
I'm beginning to wonder if we've got bogged down in a lot of excessive detail about bull handling. This article is about nose rings, not primarily about bull handling – we really only need enough about that to explain the need for rings. Would this material be better in an article specifically about it: Bull handling, or Bull management? Perhaps most of the last two sections...? --Richard New Forest (talk) 20:12, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
