User talk:Norm mit

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Welcome!

Hello, Norm mit, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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1 Tonal language
2 An invitation
3 Duplicate images uploaded
4 Barrosa References
5 "Borrowing" vs. "Adopting"
6 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Making Good Again.jpg
7 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Kolymsky Heights.jpg
8 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:The Dissertation.jpg
9 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:The Chelsea Murders.jpg
10 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:The Night of Wenceslas.jpg
11 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:The Rose of Tibet.jpg
12 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:The Sun Chemist.jpg
13 Wicazo Sa
14 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:A Long Way To Shiloh.jpg
15 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Good King Harry.jpg
16 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Smith’s Gazelle.jpg
17 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:To Live Forever.jpg
18 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Under Plum Lake.jpg
19 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Sharpe's Enemy.jpg
20 moveable/movable
21 Low resolution

[edit] Tonal language

Hullo, and welcome to Wikipedia! :-) I copyedited the article you created at Tonal Languages, and left a note here. While I was at it, I moved the article to Tonal language, in accordance with Wikipedia's naming conventions. There was some discussion some time back, at Talk:Tone (linguistics)#Article split, about the possibility of splitting that article as you have done. If you're interested in expanding the Tonal language article, a good place to start is by merging information from Tone (linguistics) into the Tonal language article, simultaneously excising it from Tone (linguistics). My recommendation is to leave the stuff dealing with tonality itself in Tone (linguistics), and dealing exclusively with tonal languages in Tonal language. Best wishes, Tom e r ^talk 02:02, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] An invitation

Hi Norm mit,

Thanks for helping with Japan-related articles such as Chūshingura on Wikipedia. Here's an invitation to visit Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan. There, you can meet other Wikipedians working on articles related to Japan. You'll find lists of new articles, projects, and links to resources such as

Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles), with decisions the community has made about how to format articles
Template:Newest Japan-related articles, where you can list the articles you create so the community can see them
Portal:Japan, a collection of resources on Japan
Wikipedia:Japan-related topics notice board, for notifying the community of topics of interest

Hope to see you there!

Best regards,

Fg2 05:10, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome your help to create new content, but your recent additions (such as Ming of Harlem) are considered nonsense. Please refrain from creating nonsense articles. If you want to test things out, edit the sandbox instead. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. ArchStanton 21:04, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Duplicate images uploaded

Thanks for uploading Image:To Live Forever.jpg. A machine-controlled robot account noticed that you uploaded the same image twice: as Image:To Live Forever.jpg and also as Image:To Live Forever.JPG. The latter copy of the file has been marked for speedy deletion since it is redundant. If this sounds okay to you, there is no need for you to take any action.

This is an automated message- you have not upset or annoyed anyone. In the future, you may save yourself some confusion if you supply a meaningful file name and remember exactly which name you chose (file names are case sensitive, including the extension) so that you won't lose track of your uploads. For tips on good file naming, see Wikipedia's image use policy. If you have any questions about this notice, or feel that the deletion is inappropriate, please contact User:Staecker, who operates the robot account. Staeckerbot 14:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barrosa References

I have remove Sharpe's Fury from the references of the article because it is a fictional book and should not be used as a reference on anything historical. Carl Logan 17:22, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Borrowing" vs. "Adopting"

Hi. I noticed that on several language pages you've changed the wording to say Language A "adopted" a word from Language B, rather than "borrowed" it. "Adopt" is certainly more accurate a description of the process than "borrow" is, but on the other hand it's almost universal in language descriptions and linguistics to use the term "borrow". Since the term is so universal and wide-spread, I'm a bit concerned about its being replaced with a more accurate, but rarely-used, term. ...I dunno. What are your thoughts? Take care, --Miskwito 23:10, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate that. But part of the problem is that Wikipedia isn't the place for neologisms or for starting trends in vocabulary or terminology (see WP:NEO). If you know of a linguistic publication or something like that which uses "adopt" instead of "borrow" with this sense, then it could make more sense to use it on Wikipedia that way, and would be easier to justify. Take care, --Miskwito 23:07, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Making Good Again.jpg

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If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 06:23, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Kolymsky Heights.jpg

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[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:The Dissertation.jpg

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[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:The Chelsea Murders.jpg

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[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:The Night of Wenceslas.jpg

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[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:The Rose of Tibet.jpg

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[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:The Sun Chemist.jpg

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[edit] Wicazo Sa

Nice edit - could you please add the language Red Pencil is translated from, plus a source if possible? Thanks, Vizjim 14:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:A Long Way To Shiloh.jpg

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[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Good King Harry.jpg

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[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Smith’s Gazelle.jpg

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[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:To Live Forever.jpg

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[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Under Plum Lake.jpg

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[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Sharpe's Enemy.jpg

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[edit] moveable/movable

I don't really care one way or the other but both spellings are used. Note Hemingway used "Moveable" (A Moveable Feast) and the WP article is "moveable feast". Probably no reason to change to match your preference. Gr8white (talk) 17:38, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

History and logic don't determine what "should" be in terms of spelling. Both "moveable" and "movable" are correct and your arguments just apply to your personal preference, not what others "should" use. Gr8white (talk) 22:43, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Low resolution

Norm -

It was good to meet you earlier today. Regarding your question on book covers (at the moment, it looks like roughly half the ones that were disputed, per the notices above, are still in place), I think you put identified the issue correctly - it's the scan resolution.

Specifically, the fair use criteria being cited is {{Non-free book cover}}; if you follow that link, you'll see that the template includes the following:

It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of book covers

to illustrate an article discussing the book in question
on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation,

qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law.

And the rationale on the image page (which I assume you filled out at the time of uploading) says "Low resolution?" "Yes".

So my guess is that the objecting bot, BetacommandBot, is programmed to compared the actual image resolution to some criteria for "low resolution", and to object if the actual image resolution is too high. Of course, it would really be helpful if the bot were to actually say that, rather than to spit out a generic objection, leaving you (and others) to try to figure out the specific problem.

(Just in case - if you're questioning WHY book cover images have to be low-resolution, I think the answer is "Because copyright lawyers feel that this give the Foundation the lowest likelihood of being sued, other than not having such images at all." You're not likely to actually find that language anywhere, I expect - though I'd also not be surprised to find a discussion somewhere - because this is something not subject to consensus - it really doesn't matter what editors think, this is a legal issue and a position taken by the Wikimedia Foundation itself. Well, looking around, there is discussion at Template talk:Non-free book cover)

Finally, my sense is that the higher-resolution scans of yours which are still in place aren't safe, even though the objections posted in sections above apparently haven't been acted on. Someone could start up a new bot, or change the parameters of a bot, or editors could start working this category by hand - any of those, and you'd be facing another objection and potential deletion. I really think - as irritating as it may be - that you'd be much better off (and Wikipedia would be better for it) if you'd do a low resolution scan to replace all the higher resolution images you uploaded, whether they are still in place or were deleted. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 01:11, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed that most of the warnings above had blue links to the images - showing that they still existed, rather than red links (nothing on the other end except perhaps a deletion). But, as I noted in my last paragraph, the fact that images still exist is no guarantee that they will continue to - fair use images are under intense review, and all it would take would be one editor deciding to enforce the "low resolution" criteria, to set off another round of warnings and potential deletions. I really think you'd be better off uploading low resolution scans on top of the high resolution ones, if that isn't too much trouble for you. Your call, of course. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 01:43, 24 May 2008 (UTC)