Talk:Norwegian School of Economics and Business Administration

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Contents 1 English or Norwegian name 2 Requested move 2.1 Survey 2.2 Discussion

[edit] English or Norwegian name

I want to use this opening:

The Norwegian School of Economics and Business Administration (Norges Handelshøyskole – NHH) was founded in 1936.

An anonymous contributor wants to use this instead:

Norges Handelshøyskole (NHH), in English also known as the Norwegian School of Economics and Business Administration, was founded in 1936.

He or she wrote this on my talk page:

Norges Handelshøyskole (NHH) is the correct name in English as well as Norwegian. This is consistent with the trend among other Western European business schools, like among others INSEAD, HEC, ESADE.

Please take a look at http://www.nhh.no/index-e.html.

I answered:

Where it says: "2005 © Norwegian School of Economics and Business Administration"

Can I get some input from someone? I would also like to move this article to Norwegian School of Economics and Business Administration, but that requires an administrator. Samuelsen 16:35, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Very good points by the anonymous contributor. I totally agree with her/him Whatever some webmaster has put in the copyright line is totally beside the point. If Samuelson had read any of the articles on that page, he would have seen that NHH uses consistently NHH in their English communication. NHH is also what foreigners, academics and practioners alike, refer to the school as.

To move the article like Samuelson suggests is a really bad idea. It's simply wrong.

An alternative text which might reflect the state of the matter is something like

NHH, in English sometimes also referred to as the Norwegian School of Economics and Business Administration, was founded in 1936. NHH is an acronym for Norges Handelshøyskole.

Espenrh 18:30, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't notice this at once, but the heading Samuelsen has given this discussion is at the same time revealing and wrong. We are not discussing whether we should use the English or the Norwegian name, but what name the school is known as in English. And the answer is NHH.

Samuelson should also remove the category bar where NHH is categorized among the regional colleges of Norway. If made properly such a category bar should at least distinguish the scientific colleges from the regional colleges. Before that's done it should be removed.

Espenrh 19:03, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

I didn't make Template:Norwegian Educational Institutions. User:Salmon did. You can edit the template yourself or discuss the changes you feel necessary with User:Salmon. Samuelsen 18:21, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

I have proposed this article moved to Norwegian School of Economics and Business Administration. This is because

1. There is no doubt as to the English title of the school (it is used on all official documents by the school).
2. NHH is part of the school logo, but not the name - neither in Norwegian nor English.
3. All other universities and colleges in Norway have article names equal to their full, English names.
4. What students or employees refer to the school in casual conversation is irrelevant.

Arsenikk ^(talk) 21:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I believe the international, as well as Norwegian, name is Norges Handelshøyskole. NHH is just an acronym while Norwegian School of Business Economics is just a common translation to make it easier for those who don't speak Norwegian to understand what kind of school it is. --Crazysteps (talk) 11:26, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Please go to http://www.nhh.no/ and press the British flag for English. It is beyond any doubt that the school consistently refers to itself as NHH in English. 129.240.48.219 (talk) 12:28, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Retaining the name NHH is clearly in violation with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (abbreviations). The former states that if an English term exists it should be used while the later states that an acronym not be used unless the subject is almost exclusively known by its acronym (which is obviously not the case for NHH). Further, all other universities and colleges use their English full names in their article title (for instance Norwegian University of Science and Technology or Bergen University College). If you go to the university web site you clearly see (at the bottom, under where it says "Norges Handelshøyskole") it states "Norwegian School of Economics and Business Administration". All Norwegian governmental institutions have an official, translated version of their name in English, and it is this English name that is used consistently throughout the articles on the English Wikipedia. The naming of this article to NHH is a breach with this consistency. Consistency is desirable per Wikipedia:Manual of Style. If a general disagreement is concerned over this way of naming articles related to colleges and universities in Norway, it should probably instead be discussed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Norway. Arsenikk ^(talk) 14:16, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

If anyone bother contacting the administration at NHH I am sure they will be told that the school wants to be known as NHH in English. This is similar to other European business schools like HEC Paris, INSEAD, IMD, ESADE and others. 129.240.48.219 (talk) 10:41, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Interesting you should mention those, because they happen to be titled International Institute for Management Development, HEC School of Management, ESADE Business School etc. As for INSEAD, they have officially discontinued their full name (Institut Européen d’Administration des Affaires), and INSEAD is their full, official name. Then you have the articles for London School of Economics (not LSE), Stockholm School of Economics (not SSE), Copenhagen Business School (not CBS) and so on and so on. All business schools are named for their full English name on Wikipedia. Why should NHH violate this policy? Arsenikk ^(talk) 10:57, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move