Talk:Northern Virginia

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(1) Overall, I think this article is very poorly written. (2) There are some sweeping assertions without supporting evidence or persuasive arguments behind them. In particular: "Northern Virginia is not very religious. Religion plays minimal role in the lives of most people. It is a lot more secular compared to the rest of the state." While it's likely true that the population as a whole is more secular than the rest of Virginia as a whole, I doubt it's true that "religion plays a minimal role in the lives of most people."

I, for one, agree. As a contributor to many Virginia articles, I will take a whack at cleaning up some of the biased and unsubtantiated stuff. Anyone who has another take on this is a goood time to speak up. Please bring facts and sources. Vaoverland 03:26, May 14, 2005 (UTC)


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[edit] Geographic definition

Should N in Northern Virginia be capitalized?

That's how it is usually spelled, to then become NoVa.--Orange Mike 00:49, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Press articles never capitalize the 'n', but I believe the Census considers "Northern Virginia" to be a statistical area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Old Guard (talk • contribs) 01:35, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Geographic definition

Hi. I notice that the first part of this article currently defines Northern Virginia geographically. Is this a formal definition? That is, is it derived from an authority? --Takeel 02:06, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

If it's supposed to be the OMB definition, it's out of date. Doctor Whom 14:50, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
I know I'm a bit late to this discussion, but as someone who's lived in Manassas his whole life and went to high school in Warrenton, I've always thought of the definition that's there now as pretty much accurate (except for maybe Stafford County, though it does makes sense). MessengerAtLWU (talk | contribs) 04:24, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Needs movement towards NPOV?

I believe that this article needs movement towards NPOV. To me, it reads mostly like a promotional piece. Does anyone else agree? --Takeel 15:04, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] really?

"Northern Virginia is widely considered to be more Northern in its culture than the rest of Virginia."Loodog 14:35, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Yep, just ask anyone in Roanoke or Lynchburg about the state and you'll hear a completely different kind of Virginia. We're much more the melting pot of Virginia. For example, how many "Virginian" accents can you hear in Nova? I'm from Fauquier and I don't even have much of an accent. Although I do wonder that nothing is said about the tensions in Nova from having so many differing policies relating to growth and how that conflicts with prodominately rural areas that still exist. Kiki 16:30, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

This is true even as far south as Charlottesville, where NoVa is sometimes recognized as something wholly unto itself.~ (The Rebel At) ~ 14:03, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I would call it the international part of Virginia, as people from around the US and world tend to go there rather than the rest of Virginia. That doesn't mean old Virginia is bad of course. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Old Guard (talk • contribs) .
"Old Virginia", eh? You might want to read this article just for starters. :) --Takeel 16:02, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Maybe not that old ;) --Old Guard 01:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
During the '06 midterms, a talking hea d referred to nova as a region "struggling valiantly to secede from the Confederacy." I'll try to find that for you // 3R1C 17:05, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Alright, melting pot (not diverse enough to be a salad bowl) is a good description, and so is Mid-Atlantic, either way I fixed it with an even more appropriate term. --Old Guard 01:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Update: someone found a better word! --Old Guard 07:22, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

"Fairfax County is the third-richest county in the nation with an outstanding public school system, including Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology, an award-winning magnet school. Since the mid-1990s, Loudoun County has become known as America's fastest-growing county. It recently took Fairfax County's spot as the second-richest county in the country." Is there a source for this, I have search numerous listings from the US Census Bureau, and have not found any that have 2nd and 3rd; I think the 2003 estimate has 3rd and 5th, either way if someone doesn't come up with some source I'll just have to say they are among the 5 richest counties in the nation (measured by median household income), and reword the rest. --JVittes 05:25, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

    Yes, there are numerous references that were published in the Washington Post. Adctvmonkey 01:36, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Education

While I understand listing TJHSST as a notable high school, the section is starting to become a list of high schools in Fairfax County, which I don't think is in the best interest of the article, I think we need to trim the list of high schools here, as it is getting to be quite a list alreay. What do other people here think? --JVittes 07:39, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

So I guess it has been decided that we should continue on the current path? I see that another high school has been added. I really have to say that I don't think that it is the best course of action, and that triming the list would be best. I don't see anyone else commenting, but I guess actions speak louder than words. --JVittes 23:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
This article is probably not a place for lists of schools. I recommend removing the school list, just as I removed the ethnicity list. --Takeel 14:26, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Graphic

This is a graphic made by the Washington Post that would be perfect for the article in articlating the differences between Northern VA, and the rest of VA. I hestiate uploading the graphic though due to copyright issues. What do you guys think?

Zidel333 16:46, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely not. There's no way it would survive copyvio. // 3R1C 17:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
There is, however, nothing to preclude any Wikipedian with a graphing program from creating a similar graphic and downloading it under a good license, with citation to the source(s) of the statistics in question. --Orange Mike 00:47, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

According to the graphic shown, the Washington-Baltimore-Northern VA OMB designated area includes Stafford and Spotsylvania counties and the independent city of Fredericksburg, however they are not listed for inclusion as part of Northern Virginia as defined in this article. Are these counties and city part of NoVA? Asacan 06:29, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NOVA

not a joke...plenty of us would willingly give the cesspool that is northern virginia away to dc, maryland, or the north in general. it is unlike the rest of the state and we want nothing to do with it. WillC (talk) 21:45, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Wow, how does that help article? Great to stay positive.... Zidel333 (talk) 00:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)