Talk:Northern Cardinal

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I'm not sure that the picture used in this article is a Northern Cardinal. Northern Cardinals have red beaks, but this one's beak is yellow-orange. See [1] and [2]. Bryan 03:15, 24 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 Range map in Mexico, baja sur, etc 2 Too many pictures in the gallery? 3 Tweaking images? 4 Good article nomination on hold 4.1 Notes

[edit] Range map in Mexico, baja sur, etc

The Pyrrhuloxia has the identical range maps for, (approximately) Mexico, and Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and Baja California Sur.

For northern Sonora, AZ, NM, these are the Sky islands, also called the Madrean sky islands. See Talk:Pyrrhuloxia. ....--Michael,in HOT,YumaAZ-- --Mmcannis 16:16, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

How old do cardinals live to be?

[edit] Too many pictures in the gallery?

Does anyone else think that there are too many similar pictures in the gallery? Joyous! | Talk 23:37, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I put them there, and yes, I think there are too many. I was hoping that someone involved in the article would select a few to keep and delete the remainder. The nesting photos are a rare thing and I offered them all, assuming someone would select a few that looked good enough to keep. Peace.Lsi john 03:05, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and cleaned up the gallery a little bit. I grouped the nesting photos together and added a few from Commons.'Card 22:49, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tweaking images?

I've done a lot of tinkering with the images on this article over the last few days. It initially caught my interest when that excellent shot of the fledgling got deleted and that screwed up the page's formatting, but then I just kept farting with it. I think the layout and the overall appearance of the article is much-improved, but if anyone is unhappy with any of the edits I've made, please feel free to revert or re-edit them. Thanks. 'Card 00:51, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good article nomination on hold

This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of November 10, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Well-written, and complies with the Manual of Style.

2. Factually accurate?: Has adequate citations to the reliable source material in the references.

3. Broad in coverage?: Considering that this is the type species for cardinals in general, I think it's imperative to include some info on their status as a cultural icon (the moniker for sport's teams etc.) Adding this as a couple of sentences to Relationship with humans is probably the best place in my estimation. There also isn't any information in the article about what predators the bird has.

4. Neutral point of view?: Gives fair treatment to all significant points of view.

5. Article stability? Not the subject of any recent or on-going edit wars.

6. Images?: Properly accounted for with licensing where present. There are two issues I want to address here. The first is not a pass/fail issue related to the criteria. I want to consider possibly paring down the gallery, there are some very poor images that are also repetitive within the article or used in articles directly connected to this one. The other is captions. I personally like the centering trick, but some of the captions are italicized, and some not. Even though MOS:ITALICS and WP:CAPTIONS do not outright prohibit italicized captions, I don't think it's necessary. None of the reasons of MOS for italicizing (emphasis, titles, etc.) seem to apply. But ultimately the issue is that the system of captioning needs to be consistent internally.

Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far.— VanTucky ^Talk 03:20, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notes

For readability, please place any comments or questions pertaining to the hold below rather than within the body of the review. Thank you'!

I've completed what I think is sufficient cleanup of the gallery. VanTucky ^Talk 03:32, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

The gallery looks much better now, thank you. The italics are now removed from the image captions. Ecology is a more accurate heading, especially now that predation information has been included. heyjude. 04:16, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Looks like everything is finished. Thanks for all your hard work, and congrats. I was just about to pass it, and a comment above made me realize...the article doesn't give their lifespan. Did I miss it? VanTucky ^Talk 04:47, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

fixed and reffed, passing Jimfbleak 16:54, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Please see your talk for additional comments on the pass. I agree it is ready, but you did not complete the passing correctly. You also need to remove it from the candidates page and add it to the main GA page. Thanks, VanTucky ^Talk 20:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)