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The name Northumbria

Northumbria is the common name for the North East of England and is used daily in a miriad of ways. Someone had changed this fact to state that 'Bernicia' is the other name for the North East. Bernicia is not used, I dare say, at all to define the North East. Northumbria is the kingdom centred on Durham and Northumberland that was incorporated into England from the Heptarchy Enzedbrit 22:34, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

The historical Northumbria included Yorkshire and at times Lothian. Many current uses cover smaller areas than North East England. --Henrygb 02:08, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Historical Northumbria at its peak included these areas. Kingdoms' boundaries were wont to change. Austria today is still called Austria even though its boundaries were once far in excess of its current boundaries. Enzedbrit 23:48, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

The north east is not often called Northumbria so stop saying this. No one calls it that, it is a utterly incorrect term. Northumbria isn't even part of the north east, its Northumberland. Most people probally aren't even aware of the old Anglish kingdom.--Josquius 18:53, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Please stop telling me that the north east isn't called Northumbria! I know very well that it is! Visitors to Durham are first greeted at the train station by a map showing them where they are in "Northumbria". The local constabulary is the Northumbria police force. There is Northumbria University. The tourism authority is, or until recently was, Northumbria. Our Northumbrian pipers wear the Northumbrian tartan when they perform around Northumbria. There are also Northumbrian organisations around the world. I have no idea what you're trying to say when you say Northumbria isn't part of the North East, it's Northumberland. That's an incoherant sentence. Enzedbrit 11:55, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I am in general agreement with Josquius on this matter, I myself am from the old County Durham region of Tyne and Wear which is unquestionably the industrial and populous heart of the North-East in modern times and noone here would refer to the North-East as 'Northumbria', as the name is 'Northumberland Police' for example is the subject of much debate for our Police force. I am fairly sure this would be the case for all people south of here also. I would say that only people from either Newcastle or Northumberland would agree with 'Northumbria'. gazh 18:51, 24 Apr 2007 (UTC).

While it is true to say that some still refer to the region as Northumbria, they are in the main part people who live or work in the 'sub region' of Northumberland. Northumbria as a term has little (or ever decreasing) resonance, particularly in Tees Valley or County Durham. Indeed, the tourism body for the region was until a couple of years ago, the Northumbria Tourism Board, and used the 'brand' Northumbria to promote the whole region. However, that organisation no longer exists, and the area is marketed within the region, nationally and internationally as North East England, currently being promoted in a campaign called 'Passionate people. Passionate places' (which is now multi award winning and has been almost universally backed by residents and organisations across the North East). Interestingly, since North East England was introduced and promoted as the regional brand, awareness of this part of the world and visitor numbers to it have increased significantly. Northumbria is a very significant historical term and of course will always be very important to those who call themselves Northumbrians. North East England has in the main part been accepted as the correct description for the region today.

Haxed discussion forums.

Haxed is an online community with over 9000 members from the North East of England. It is a non-profit organisation which serves as an online repositry of information for people who are new to the area, often students, and members often organise events and trips to bring the community together and help people make new friends.

It has affiliation with most popular nightclub venues and live music promoters on Teesside and was recently a proud sponsor of the Stockton Riverside Fringe Festival 2006.

Haxed has every right to be included in the body of this article as an external link because it serves in exactly the same capacity as "The North East Forums" and is arguably more useful to the articles audience due to its huge userbase, history, and community links.

We could of course just remove the link to the other forums as well, a link to a forum isn't exactly encyclopaedic content. p.s. the forum that you wish to link to isn't even accessible currently. Fraslet 21:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I believe haxed is more than just a discussion forum though. It also has a home page with lots of information about nightlife in the area and extensive gallery listings from events and people from the North East of England. Wikipedia is a fantastic resource for learning about new places. Helping people who are interested in the area for whatever reason meet and talk to an existing and established community about it is not a bad thing.

If content is notable it should be added to the appropriate articles themselves and not merely through links, forums are not in their very nature encyclopaedic content. Fraslet 21:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm all for the removal of purely forum links as there is no what you might call encyclopaedic content at all. Sites should at least contain information about the region which is not presented as purely a forum users opinion. As has been evident today, inappropriate use of the North East England Wiki has become evident. For example, one user enters details of a useful website appropriate to the Wiki page which is hours later removed by a Forum owner who believes they have an exclusive right to publicise their own forum but nothing similar may exist on the same page. Therefore the simplest thing to do is to remove forums from the page in its entirity.Consett 16:12, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, Wikipedia is not a links directory. The External Links should be directly related to information contained in the article. Simply pointing towards forums or even a business directory is not suitable content. Please do not place external links unless a portion of information from that site is used - copyrights excluded unless of course you are the copyright holder

[edit] Education

The education section is very poorly written. No source is provided for the list of top performing schools and its assertion that there are no selective schools in the region is just laughable. I would like to completely re-do it. However, as I don't have the time right now, I would suggest removing it completely. IT gives a completely false impresison. hedpeguyuk 14:21, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I have re-done much of it. I will add my references tommorow, I can't now as my keyboard is breaking down and it's a bloody pain typing at th emo. I've also added a sectio about higher education. May I ask where the list of top schools came from? I'm not denying that they are good schools, but there are one or two schools I would expect to see there but aren't. Could a list of top-performing schools at GCSE also be added? hedpeguyuk 16:19, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Northern England devolution referendums, 2004

It seems astonishing to me that there is zero mention of the Northern England devolution referendums, 2004 in this article. Surely that is so significant it deserves a mention in the intro? Please note that this article is mentioned, and linked to, in the very first sentence of the referendum article. A reciprocally prominent link from this article is surely merited. --Mais oui! (talk) 06:52, 15 February 2008 (UTC)