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I'm kind of doubting the reason 66.26.77.107 gives for the tuition grant troubles; I don't think the president's salary, though outrageously high at 195,000 a year, would be a reason for cutting the grant. NC's budget problems seem more relevant. Snowmanmelting 3 July 2005 02:11 (UTC)

I just added the vertical sidebar, but I'm having trouble finding the school logo as a separate image on their website (Shouldn't be copyright because it's public). If someone finds it, could you put it in the little empty box at the top of the sidebar? Thanks. --2tothe4 03:25, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

The best image I could find was located at http://math.bu.edu/people/russjack/Images/ncssm.gif but I am not sure if it is large enough... Asteron]] [[User_talk:Asteron|ノレツァ 00:54, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Woolworth's Lunch Counter

Could someone check the facts on the Woolworth counter information, namely the assertion that the counter is from a Durhan Woolworth's but commorates a sit-in that took place in Greensboro? I understand that there were a string of sit-ins across the South in the 1960s, but the article currently implies that the counter is only important because it is from a Woolworth's, not because an actual sit-in took place at that particular counter at some point in the past. I would assume that the facts are available on a plaque or sign on campus. Thanks! ----J Saturday, 2006-07-15 T 04:59 UTC

When I added the reference to Woolworth's a couple of years ago I wrote "it is home to a lunch counter from Woolworth's in Durham, at which a sit-in took place on February 7, 1960".[1] Since then someone altered the text, it seems.
I think I got the information from a very interesting history-of-NCSSM booklet, but unfortunately I don't know where it is anymore. The famous Greensboro sit-ins were actually on February 1, 1960 (see Greensboro Sit-Ins), but there were others around the state. I believe that the lunch counter is actually from a sit-in at a Durham Woolworth's, and links such as [2] seem to confirm that there were indeed sit-ins or demonstrations in Durham on the date given.
Of course, as you say, it would be even better if someone with access to campus could confirm the information. Wmahan. 05:36, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Taking what you have said, I'm guessing that the insertion of the Greensboro information was done sloppily. The guilty party probably meant to imply that the Durham sit-in was sparked by the Greensboro sit-in (which it was) but instead changed the meaning. I'm going to edit it under this understanding and leave it to someone else to prove it wrong. ----J Sunday, 2006-07-16 T 00:23 UTC
That makes sense. By the way, your edits to the article have been informative and well written. Nice work! Wmahan. 04:16, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I went to the NCSSM Discovery Day last March and I believe that I did see the Woolworth counter. There was also a picture of the sit-in posted on the wall right next to it. The thing that really sticks out in my mind about it is that our guides told us that Martin Luther King Junior actually sat on one of the stools, and I believe that he was also featured in the photograph. I am slated to go back to NCSSM for Welcome Day in about a week and eventually enrollment in the fall, so hopefully I'll be able to get a picture or something up. Tamirtoad 16:10, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] girls-only computer class

I replaced the girls-only computer class link. This is something that people actually talk about on campus, and I think someone coming to wikipedia might be looking for confirmation that NCSSM is really doing this class (when news first came out over the summer, not everyone was sure if it was true or simply proposed). I beleive it should be mentioned in the article but for the meantime the link will work. --2tothe4 19:24, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

This class exists. It is being taught by Dr Susanna Schwab. The course website is [[3]]

[edit] Merging First Hill article to NCSSM?

First Hill is one of many residence halls at NCSSM. Each of these houses about 20-40 individuals. There are more than a dozen such halls, with First Hill being one of them. This seems like it deserves a mention in the NCSSM article, but not its own article. As an NCSSM alum, this article seems to me to be the continuation of a rivalry between First Hill and the upstairs Second Hill, with each striving for recognition. I do not see the importance of continuing this preening in an encyclopedia setting. There are older residence buildings at the school, there are hundreds of other students, and frankly I don't see the weekend activities of a handful of high school students as material for an encyclopedia, though the historical information presented in that article is relevant here. Demilio 16:35, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

I am inclined to agree; this appears to be more along the lines of a vanity article, though I am also an alum (lived on First Hill). On a slightly different note, I have a slight issue with the "Academics" section. The part about Dr. Houpe (I am assuming that he is the teacher alluded to about the languages) is somewhat anecdotal. If someone can improve upon the information given -- such as languages learned -- or by clarifying "studying" -- is he fluent, does he teach courses, has he once known the language, etc. -- that would be great. --Golladayp 00:49, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm just adding my vote for merging First Hill into the NCSSM page. I'm also an alumnus of the school. There are a lot of halls, and I see no reason why First Hill is particularly notable. (Then again, I lived on First Hunt. :) ) MCS 22:08, 8 April 2006
I personally believe that First Hill should be seperated from NCSSM as much as possible, perhaps launched into outer space?


If First Hill is included in the article, then so should the rest of the halls, being First Hunt, Second West, Second East, Thrid West, Third East, Fourth West, Fourth East, Ground Royall, First Royall, Ground Reynolds, Reynolds 1C 2C 1D, Reynolds 1E 2E 2D, First Beall, Second Beall, Third Beall, Second Hill, Second Bryan, Third Bryan, and Fourth Bryan. For those that do not know, all of Hunt and Hill are guy dorms. All of Royall, Reynolds, Beall, and Bryan (except Second) are girls dorms. For the 2006-2007 school year, Second Bryan will be converted from a boys dorm to a girls dorm. Also, on another topic, shouldn't there be something in the article about NCSSM going to the UNC School System as a full member, not just an affiliate school? Again, on the First Hill article, if dorms are integrated into NCSSM article, it should be based on factual and historical evidence, not weekended stuff. There is actually alot of good history that has been passed down by students on each of the dorms and what they were in years past. (For instance, Second Hill North and Second Hill East were girls dorms, the building before Royall (forget the name...), and Bryan at one point being all guys.) Just a thought.....May 4th, 7:54 AM by an NCSSM Senior c/o 2006
Keep in mind that all of the dorms have gone through various incarnations. During my tenure (1990-92) Hill, Beall and Reynolds were girls' dorms; Bryan and New Dorm (which I still refuse to call Hunt) were guys' dorms. Wyche was defunct and Royall hadn't even been thought about yet. Either way, I agree -- merge the articles. Sonria 02:28, 21 May 2006 (UTC) (who lived on 3rd Beall and Reynolds 2D)
You have forgotten Wyche House where many venerable alumni lived in the early eighties. This is not to be confused with Royall although they share the shell of the same building. We had more asbestos back then. And we liked it that way. (Old codger alumnus from 1984)


I'm inclined to agree with the idea of launching First Hill into outer space. 2B for life!
Merge it. This just as absurd as making a page for every room in a skyscraper. --GoOdCoNtEnT 21:44, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


As a current NCSSM student, I think that the First Hill article should be deleted, not even merged. First Hill is one hall of many, and maybe all would be needed would a list of the residential halls.

[edit] National Awards / Notable Alumni

I'd like to see a listing of national awards won by students at NCSSM and/or a listing of Notable Alumni. However, I'm not certain that this information is readily available... Treznor 20:09, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

A lot of the vandalism on the Louisiana School for Math, Science, and the Arts article is people adding themselves and other non-notables to the Notable alumni section--even current students. But this is probably done on all the pages with alumni. --Christopherlin 23:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
True, and I would expect that something similar may end up happened here to some extent. However, I do think it would be something interesting to add to the article. We may need to define some standard as to what is a "Notable Alumni" or "National Award" (possibly Notable Award instead?).
Add only the most famous notable alumni with high achievements. Or else it may get abused. --GoOdCoNtEnT 21:45, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
People with articles. æ² ✆ 2006-07-11t01:37z
Richard Chapman '82 was the school's first Rhodes Scholar. Matt Welsh '92 wrote/co-wrote what were probably the first published books on Linux. Joseph N Hall 11:47, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GSSM

When I attended GSSM in 1997 there was a sister program with NCSSM. I haven't been able to deterime if this still exists but if someone knowledgeable about it could make an addition to the SCGSSM page I'd appreciate it. Flamesplash 01:34, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Foreign Language

I know the teacher being referenced as studying 13 languages is Dr. Houpe, but I'm not sure what we'd cite to verify this claim. Smithra 16:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assessment as of March 2007

Hello all, and thank you for contributing to this school site. I'm part of the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Schools/Assessment team, and, as requested, I'm reviewing this page. I'm currently giving it a grade of Start on the Wikipedia 1.0 Assessment Scale and an importance of High on this importance scale.

My reasoning is as follows: This seems to be a solid article but it needs to cite the facts and figures it is claiming. The academics section is just a fact list and it needs work on WP:NPOV. Adam McCormick 06:42, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Addition of short Athletics portion?

I think that something needs to be added about the athletics at NCSSM. While obviously not the main point of the school, I think it would be good to at least give a couple lines letting people know that NCSSM does actually have athletics, especially with the recent state titles in track and cross country and well as consistent state play-off performance by numerous other teams. These types of performances are certainly significant enough to warrant mention of the athletic program in general.