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I am not entirley sure that these saints are the patron siants of Canada. I thought that this honour belonged to St. Joseph. Can this be checked?

Joseph, being the father of Jesus, is the patron saint of a lot of stuff, including the New World as a whole, and that would include Canada. The Martyrs, in particular Jean de Brébeuf, are the patron saints specific to Canada. --Arctic Gnome 07:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Pope's Canonization speech 2 References 3 Canadian Martyrs Vs. North American Martyrs? 4 Explanation

[edit] Pope's Canonization speech

This is online? http://www.vatican.va/ ? Text (typo on Gabriel?) of this speech Source for most of the misspellings?

[edit] References

I've added references to the original reports of each one's death. It would be good to get some sort of recent analysis of the deaths of these men also. Freder1ck 03:35, 18 January 2007 (UTC)Freder1ck

[edit] Canadian Martyrs Vs. North American Martyrs?

Personally, and I acknowledge I'm from the US, I've always heard of these people as the North American Martyrs, maybe because of New York. Why is that a redirect to this page, which I believe, based on my experience, is the less-used name? John Carter 22:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Of the 8, 3 died in upstate NY. Calling it "Canadian martyrs" seems to reinforce this idea that they were only Canadian, or that Issac Jogues is an add-on here. This really should be under North American Martyrs, with the "also called" being Canadian martyrs, not the other way around. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.168.64.130 (talk • contribs) 22:31, 23May2007

Move completed. Dgf32 (talk) 21:21, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, I've only heard Canadian Martyrs, but then, I am Canadian. Adam Bishop (talk) 07:33, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Explanation

Canadian Martyrs is a translation from Martyrs canadiens, which literally means Martyrs of New France. Remember, northern New York and southern Ontario alternatively belonged to the French, the Huron, the Dutch and the British.

All of New France except Acadia and Louisiana was refered to as Canada. Also, the Quebecois formerly refered to themselves as Les Canadiens, just like the Montreal hockey team.

In 1930, when the martyrs were canonized, Canadien might have been understood as Canadien-français or French Canadian. Likewise, English Canadians formerly refered to themselves as the British, the Scots and the Irish.

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