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The following from the NORAD in popular culture section strikes me as definitely not having a neutral point of view:

"The movie is often used in support of nuclear disarmament, but is also one of the first movies to shed light on the culture of computer hacking, although it perpetuated a paranoia of hackers based on erroneous facts."

No citations to the claim of the movie Wargames' use in disarmament discussions, to the claim it was one of the first movies to shed light on hacking, or to the claim that the movie change hacker perceptions - and falsely too. If nobody has a problem with it, I think this sentence could be removed. The reference and description of the movie Wargames already included seems to cover the appropriate bases. Thoughts? Comments? --- deleted 7/06/06 Keithh

Just a couple of points that I'm curious about. The box near the top of the page says: "Controlled by Joint operations of United States Air Force and Canadian Forces Air Command." Back in ancient times, an entity called CONAD (Continemtal Air Defense Command) existed, which consisted of the USAF's Aerospace Defense Command, ARADCOM (Army Air Defense Command -- Nike missiles, etc.) and elements of the U. S. Navy. NORAD consisted of CONAD plus Canadian Forces. So, my question is: does the U.S. Army and/or U.S. Navy still participate in NORAD? I saw thar a USN admiral is listed under "Recent Commanders." Also, the history of NORAD makes no mention of SAGE. Shouldn't ther be a link to Semi_Automatic_Ground_Environment ? Gatr 22:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


I live in Colorado Springs, right next to Norad/Cheyenne Mountain, and I have heard rumors that the mountain can open up and has a place for airforce one to land inside. Can anyone shed some light on the validity of this? (unregistered Dave from CoSprings)

An event mentioned in this article is a May 12 selected anniversary

NORAD comes to public attention at Christmas, when it purports to track Santa Claus on his journey around the world delivering toys for the world's children.

Eh? When did this happen? --Lucky13pjn 02:21, Jul 2, 2004 (UTC)

Every yeah around Christmas, eh. According to http://www.noradsanta.org/ this will be their "fiftieth season tracking Santa". Usually this is something covered on the evening news on Christmas Eve, reporting something along the lines of "NORAD is currently tracking Santa over Ireland. He should be entering Canadian airspace over Newfoundland in three hours."

I just moved NORAD to this page, and created a disambiguation page... While I believe this is the right thing to do, I am at loss as to how to clean up all the references to NORAD all over the place - is there some way to do that automatically? Hou Shuang 03:33, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] The Truth

Yes we do track Santa Claus every Christmas, no we do not fly an "Air Force performance jet" from the Yukon to Mexico City to do this. We can determine Santa's relative position without wasting thousands of pounds of jet fuel. Also Air Force One most definitely cannot land near nor park inside Cheyene Mountain. -Maj Jon Thornton, Alaska NORAD Region

about the stargate reference, there is a broom closet in the facility with a placard "sg1 access"

[edit] What are SAC and PAC?

In the Background and formation section there is a reference to PAC and SAC. "Both times, the PAC properly had their planes (loaded with nuclear bombs) in the air; SAC didn't." Neither term seems to be defined in this article (although SAC is a link) and the relationship between NORAD, SAC and PAC isn't clear.

In addition, does anybody have any citations for the times when we came close to WW III? Hamster128 15:43, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I have never heard of the PAC, but SAC is the Strategic Air Command. They were the predecessors to the Air Combat Command (and possible the Air Space Command)--Kungfu Adam (talk) 16:52, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that PAC stands for "Pacific Air Command" and (as already mentioned) SAC stands or "Strategic Air Command" (1sttomars 17:24, 18 December 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Pop culture - T3

Wasn't Norad or at least Cheyenne Mountain the place of the finale of T3? Should that be mentioned? -Ron 19:16, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


someone wrote: "In addition to being destroyed in the movie Independence Day (though not shown), Cheyenne Mountain also figured prominently in the film Deep Impact, serving as the place of final refuge from the asteroid which strikes at the end of the film." I'm 99% sure this is incorrect. The site mentioned in the movie as "the Ark" was in limestone caves in Missouri. I don't believe NORAD or Cheyenne Mountain were ever mentioned in Deep Impact (unless they were mentioned in passing when nuclear missiles were launched at the commets). I could be wrong, though. --HenryV1598 20:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images?

Are there no images to be had? (Bjorn Tipling 06:11, 29 July 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Scramble/Intercept History?

There is some contention (in my perception) as to the history of NORAD intercepting jets over American airspace.

It would be great if someone could fill in something on that. A lot of people want to know. ClintJCL 02:52, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

A lot of the intercepts are classified, as data on the performance and capabilities of NORAD could be discerned from them. It's unfortunate, but if you want to know what NORAD does, join the Air Force or the CF. (Psyklek 01:40, 24 April 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Ent Air Force Base

Why does "Ent Air Force Base" redirect to this article when there isn't any actual information on the base in it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Roachmeister (talk • contribs) 20:03, 31 January 2007 (UTC).

Good question... Guessing sincing the person who redirectd Ent to NORAD is not available to provide the details needed to have a separate article. I have an investigation going on the original history of Ent AFB... once acquired I will separate the "redirect" and have a stand-alone article on Ent. Plz be patient. LanceBarber 02:44, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Ent AFB started the work of "NORAD" before NORAD was built and identified. When the threat of having the work of "NORAD" being destroyed, they built a facility underground. The current Olympic Training Center building in Colo Springs is the last of any ENT buildings. Other units and duties were moved either along with the development of NORAD or to Peterson AFB. Thus the formation of Cheyennee Mtn Air Force Station to bring NORAD and its facilities and support under a base or station format. Documentation and references of this facility is not easily readibly accessable. Still working on those details. LanceBarber 07:47, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia... Popular culture

[edit] Christmas

The NORAD Christmas patrol was referenced in the book Stuffed Animals by Michael Fry and T Lewis, the fourth Over the Hedge book.

[edit] Motion pictures

Independence Day

In the 1996 action movie, Independence Day, the attacking aliens destroy NORAD, where the vice-president and joint chiefs of staff had taken shelter. (cut/paste from Cheyenne MountainLanceBarber (talk) 05:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Terminator series

In the Terminator trilogy, the AI Skynet is built for NORAD to control the strategic military systems of the United States using Cheyenne Mountain as the core of Skynet's infrastructure.

United 93

NORAD is featured in the movie United 93 that portrays the events that took place on September 11, 2001 regarding United Airlines Flight 93 which crashed in a field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania. NEADS, Northeast Air Defense Sector, Rome, NY, is one of the two Air Defense Sectors that report to NORAD. The other is the Western Air Defense Sector, WADS,Tacoma, WA. These sectors are automatically referred to as NORAD when referenced. NEADS is the Sector featured in the United 93 film, and whose AOR ( Area of responsibility) covered most of the events on September 11, 2001

Live Free or Die Hard

In describing the backstory of the character Thomas Gabriel, it is mentioned that he broke into a meeting of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and, using a laptop, shut down the entire NORAD system.

[edit] Televsion

Stargate SG-1

Cheyenne Mountain is featured prominently in the television show Stargate SG-1, as it is the location for the fictional Stargate Command. NORAD is mentioned occasionally as being above the Stargate, housed in sub-level 28. In the episode "A Matter of Time," the nearest secure phone above Stargate Command is at "NORAD, main level," which appears to be sub-level 2. Note, however, that the NORAD tunnel entrance shown in the series is the South Portal, which was used only for maintenance purposes, and never used by operations staff.

Jeremiah

NORAD is featured in the Showtime series Jeremiah being used as a self-contained community by the survivors of a post-apocalyptic world.

Seinfeld

In the Seinfeld episode The Phone Message George is frustrated about not going up to his dates apartment at midnight for "coffee". When Elaine mentions that some people drink coffee that late George says "Yeah, people who work at NORAD who are on 24-hour missile watch."

South Park

On one episode of the cartoon South Park, a supercomputer Trapper Keeper wishes to absorb a supercomputer located underground of Cheyenne Mountain, the location of NORAD.

[edit] Books

The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

In the novel The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress by Robert A. Heinlein, Cheyenne Mountain receives heavy bombardment from the lunar rebels

For Special Service

In the John Gardner novel For Special Services James Bond must prevent SPECTRE infiltrating NORAD after drugging its staff with ice cream doctored with a psychedelic substance.

Silver Surfer

The Marvel comic book character's real name is Norrin Radd, possibly a reference to NORAD.

[edit] Other media

Cut and pasted excess trivia here from main article. LanceBarber (talk) 05:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SGC

The pop culture section talks about Stargate Command, and says that the south entrance is featured on the show, although in actuality it isnt used. However, the picture a ways above it shows the entrance that is used in SG-1, and cites it as the north entrance...which is correct? --Estrill5766 19:24, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Robot Chicken/Television shows

hi folks i just remembered that in one of the episodes of Robot Chicken (season 2 episode 16, the last clip at 9:29) i saw the N.O.R.A.D. "sign"(?) I thought that it would be better if someone else do that because my englisch is (what u already now...) sux ;) greetings from g´old germany =) -ad

(;Robot Chicken In the Robot Chicken episode S.2 E.16 the commander of N.O.R.A.D. ordered Santa Claus to submit them a cargo list. ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.186.147.173 (talk) 18:22, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Moved previous SGC section to this Trivia section. LanceBarber (talk) 05:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)