Talk:North-South divide

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 16 May 2007. The result of the discussion was keep.

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[edit] Tropics effect on the dark peoples

It's a known fact that the jungle peoples of the dark continents are less developed mentally than other humans, but would the heat have a degenerative effect on their brains? This goes along with natural body odor/heat related odor with the jungle people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Everlasting in Union (talk • contribs) 03:31, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moved Israel

Moved Israel to Europe, as it is geographically and culturally closer to Europe than Asia.

The article on Europe does not include Israel within it, thus for internal consistency I am placing Israel back in Asia. AlexD 15:27, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed China

Per capita GDP of china is well below that of Northern countries, on par with the majority of south American countries, which are not part of 'The North'. Also China is not a developed country, though it has advanced industry sectors. Infrastructure development, environmental and health & safety regulations, and political organization in China do not yet meet the level of those found in advanced Western nations such as Britain and Sweden, which are considered members of 'The North'.


There is obviously problems with what is North and what is South and some people here seems to be suggesting that some countries "deserve" to be North based on thier own personal evaluations. The map, as many here say, simplifies too much. Some very high GDP per capita countries are labelled as "South" such as Singapore and Hong Kong. The statement that "virtually all the wealth is held in the North" is wrong if we define North and South by that map because the combined gross GDP of China, India, and Brazil is significantly high. The article needs to address the ambiguities.

if any one has any information other than this can they send it to me with the subjet:north-south to charlottelouisecook@hotmail.com thank you very much

We know that Manchester is in the North and London is in the South, but what about in between?

The Midlands are considered to be south by the north and north by the south. Morwen - Talk 08:19, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

I suggest the counties of Gloucestershire, Oxfordshire, Northhamptonshire, Cambridgeshire and Norfolk are in the South, and everything above this is the North. Cardiff is resented by the west of the Welsh in the same way London is by Northerners, so I suggest Cardiff, the Vale of Glamorgan, Newport and Monmouthshire are also South.

As a former native of Norfolk (and more specifically, North Norfolk), I've often faced this debate. My particular town (Hunstanton) is dead level with Stoke On Trent, which is almost universally acknowledged as the Midlands; alternatively, I've seen Norfolk described as "geographically south but economcally north". In short, nobody seems to know and even fewer people seem to care. ;-) Kinitawowi 10:01, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moved North-south divide in the UK

I moved this part of the article to a different article because it seemed to be talking about a different divide. In the case for the new article, the divide is specific to the UK and the south is the more prosperous than the north. This new article is called North-South divide in the United Kingdom. Rs564 22:55, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] North-South Gap

Can anyone tell me the relationship between Global North and Global South?

[edit] Silly geo-political division

Why are Russia and South Africa members of the "north"? Brazil, for example, has a higher GDP and IDH than both of these nations, but it is considered "South".

Chile and Argentine, for exemple, have a higher (a LOT higher)IDH than South Africa.

It is a silly division. It was something invented by the Americans and English who think that the world ends at the equator. Wallie 18:00, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

And why isn't South Korea included in "the North" if countries like Russia are?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.54.51.244 (talk • contribs) 05:09, 19 May 2006.

I have to agree. The United Arab Emirates, South Korea, Taiwan (ROC), Argentina, Chile, and Uruguay all belong on that map, and that's only a few of the possibilities for inclusion. Right now, it looks more like a simple "White people and Japan" map. Picaroon9288 21:45, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, so does anyone want to update the map? Shouldn't be too hard - just download the high-quality version & use some program (even MSPaint will probably work) to colour some countries differently. Then upload it to wikipedia and replace this one. This would be easier if there was a clear criteria for the requirements to be in the "north". I too am not quite sure that South Africa deserves to be there... it's doing much better than its surrounding countries, but it's got plenty of its own problems... whereas the United Arab Emirates and maybe Kazakhstan might deserve to be there, in addition to all of those wealthy nations in South-East Asia (like Singapore and South Korea). But first, we need to establish some kind of clear criteria on a country's inclusion. Scientific progress & a highly educated populace should count for something too, I think (which is why Russia deserves its place). Esn 22:17, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
None of us are likely qualified to update this... Granted i agree with you, when i looked at it my first thought was why isnt South korea on there, then it went further, Hong Kong, Israel,UAE and Taiwan... If you want the editted map however we do need a conclusive list then of what to add although im afraid that would violate the personally done research rule of Wikipedia. IF someone can find a better list of nations though i'd be happy to make the map myself. Ass for a point made above, the addition of Kazakhstand would be foolish without including Thailand, and that is a bit further than i think most would be willing to go...HawkShark

To me this division doesn't make any sense at all; but I suggest, if someone wants to change the map, to paint some countries in purple...The best would be to delete this article, itself it suggests that calling it "north-south divide" is senseless; if this division was bond with the development index it would be altogether different. What is this division founded in then?--Cloviz 03:16, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image

I may have reverted the image back to an older version by mistake. Not sure if is actually different. My apologies. --Stacey 21:46, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not Scientific!!!

Just because a country is developed does NOT mean that it's part of the North. Most of the Northern countries are white, so perhaps this is a more scientifically valid division of humans. China would probably NEVER be part of the North - and what the hell is Russian doing there?! This article is totally subjective and coloured in some kind of pseudo-formal fascistic rhetoric. Can someone vote for deletion please?

?--Nukamason 16:35, 08 September 2006 (UTC)

The north-south divide is not a division of human beings but a divison of countries primarily based on GNP, the main division occurred as a result of the Brandt Commission that produced the Brandt Line. The model as it stands is one that is out-dated and does not represent the present spatial division of GNP levels that has been produced firstly by internationalisation and then by globalisation. The model is part of how global inequalities and development has been measured with the "first" being the three worlds model, followed by the brandt line and then the move from economic indicators to social and environmental and now to the prsent globalisation view and is not a "pseudo-formal fascistic rhetoric", prehaps you ought to take a look at this site understand the division http://www.s-cool.co.uk/topic_quicklearn.asp?loc=ql&topic_id=13&quicklearn_id=1&subject_id=20&ebt=151&ebn=&ebs=&ebl=&elc=4. Hope that helps AlexD 01:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Changes

I added Taiwan to list as it was missing, and I am going to move the Other Countries section up into Europe, unless anyone has any objections... I don't see why the Balkans, Russia and East/Central Europe should be separate. I understand that they are less economically developed but I do not believe that they should therefore be confined to their own subsection, they are geographically Europe so I will add them there, if anyone has objections please state them. Basser g 16:18, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Changed my mind about moving other European countries up, but I left Taiwan as it was missing... Basser g 16:28, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Turkey belongs to the north

Turkey should be in the north.

At least, 70% of Turkey is highly more developed than most of the european lands (east europe) included in the north.

I think that this map has been made by unscientific and racist knowledgeless criteria.

bye.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.136.83.185 (talk) 00:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC) - There is a q uestion whether Turkey belongs part of Europe... or Developed countries--Kingj123 (talk) 16:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Poland is lost in division

Poland is lost in the division - it is neither in the North nor in the South - probably should be North - at least according to the map. Also all EU is North so Poland should be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.174.83.175 (talk) 21:16, 10 May 2008 (UTC)