Talk:North-American Interfraternity Conference

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Contents 1 NIC site out of date! 2 NPOV 3 Membership Requirements 4 2002 departures? 5 Chapter numbers 6 Phi Delta Theta 7 More Source 8 Create a Table for the "Members" section 9 Table Headings

[edit] NIC site out of date!

Oops, I removed APhiA a while ago, and didn't know it had recently joined. Just as a warning to future editors, the North-American Interfraternity Conference website has an out of date list of "who we are". — vijay 05:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC) Also please add Sigma Lambda Beta to the link of the NIC...Sigma Lambda Beta is an active member in the NIC.

[edit] NPOV

Even this page seems to read more like a PR campaign than an encyclopedia article. I just changed the section titled Public Relations Efforts. I don't wanna fix up all the rest by myself: consider this a call for help. — vijay 06:04, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Membership Requirements

I added a section on membership requirements. While it's not copy/paste out of the By-Laws (see the end of the cited source), it get's uncomfortably close towards the end. If anyone wanted to work on that language. Also, it's very repetitive, that needs help, too. If anyone cleans it up, I'd appriciate it. Thanks. — vijay 08:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2002 departures?

Why is there no mention here of the reasons behind the 2002 departures of Kappa Sigma, Phi Sigma Kappa and Phi Delta Theta? -- nae'blis _(talk) 21:40, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

• I added these, and they were promptly removed. I will re-add them in another part of the article that might make more sense. Anyone taking issue with this, please post here before reverting. QuinnHK 19:35, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
  • I agree this information should be included in the article. It would also be nice if someone could provide some more thorough background information on the reasons behind the departures. BlueGold73 20:03, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
    • I have added the only source I can find, unfortunately on a forum. QuinnHK 21:08, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chapter numbers

What is the difference between "active groups" and "total chapters?" I could understand "active chapters" and "alumni groups..." —ScouterSig 07:55, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

• "Active Groups" I think is for the active charters, whereas "Total Chapters" includes charters which may have lapsed or been suspended or revoked, regardless of whether undergraduate or alumni. The sense of "active member" or "active chapter" meaning "undergraduate member" or "undergraduate chapter" would only apply to those organizations which don't issue charters to alumni groups, but I can see how the mixed terminology could be confusing here.-choster 17:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Phi Delta Theta

As of this fall, Phi Delta Theta is back in the Interfraternity Conference. The IFC website is not updated. Check your facts, and please stop removing their information. Aeroandy88 05:46, 19 February 2007 (UTC)Andrew

Actually, you would do well to check your facts. Phi Delta Theta remains its own entity and is not part of NIC. In addition, there are no current aspirations of rejoining either. If you disagree, I highly encourage you to ask our national headquarters.

[edit] More Source

This article does need many more source, especially in the membership area. I'm pretty sure most of the Fraternities already have sources for their numbers on their own page. I'll try my best to find them but if you can source stuff please do it. There are some sections which don't have any sources. Acidskater 18:32, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Create a Table for the "Members" section

Can someone with "table-creating" experience create a table for the "Members" section? I think the information in this section would be much more manageable if it were presented in the form of a table. Thanks. Littlealien182 (talk) 04:42, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Table Headings

BlueGold73, I appreciate your concern with my edits, but let me explain why I made them. Firstly, let me discuss the edit that you didn't mention in your two revision summaries ("Founded" -> "Founding Date"). I made this edit because, to me, placing a past-tense form of a transitive verb in a table heading (e.g. "founded") just doesn't seem to make sense and, from the looks of it, hardly follows standard table convention (i.e. if you look around, you will see that verbs almost never exist as the heading of a table). This is why I changed "founded" to "founding date." Your first revision summary, which states "collegiate is needed because alumni chapters arent included," is incorrect. This column is meant to include both alumni chapters and active chapters. That is why the number in this column is so much larger than the number in the previous column. If you are correct in you assertion, then this final column would have a number that is smaller than the number in the previous column because it would be equal to the number of "active collegiate groups" minus the number of colonies. Furthermore, if you actually want to create a column, which has the number of charters, but does not include alumni groups, you would need to give it a different descriptor, other than "collegiate," since all alumni groups are formed collegiately and, as such, have received their charters in a collegiate context. To put it simply, there has never been a "non-collegiate" charter granted and, as such, there is no need to add "collegiate" to the "charters granted" heading. I will, however, agree with your edit in the second heading (i.e. "active chapters" -> "active collegiate groups"), because it serves an effective purpose in clarifying the meaning of this column. Note: though it does not make sense to have "collegiate" and "non-collegiate" charters granted, it makes perfect sense to have "collegiate" and "non-collegiate" active chapters. The later description is relevant and contains some practical truth-value. LittleAlien¹⁸² _{--talk trash--} 20:22, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm fine with your edit re: founding date; however, the rest of it doesn't make any sense to me. Start looking up the numbers in the table and you'll find that none of them take into consideration alumni groups. For example, Alpha Phi Alpha has chartered 414 COLLEGIATE chapters, but when you start including non-collegiate chapters then the number is closer to 700. If you want this column to include ALL chapters chartered, then all of the numbers currently in the column are incorrect. Your statement that "there has never been a "non-collegiate" charter granted" is quite ridiculous. Nearly all Greek-letter organizations grant charters to alumni groups that aren't tied to any specific college. Most alumni chapters are actually tied to geographic areas, and those chapters often have the ability to initiate well-deserving individuals as well. BlueGold73 (talk) 21:43, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

My apologies. The fraternity that I am a part of uses the term "alumni chapter" to refer to a dormant or inactive collegiate chapter and to my knowledge has never granted an "alumni charter" of the kind that you mentioned above. I was unaware that many national fraternities did this, and I apologize again for the misunderstanding. LittleAlien¹⁸² _{--talk trash--} 22:33, 7 June 2008 (UTC)