Talk:Norteños

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~LADY NORTENA~ THE ONE I DONT GET REALLLY IS HOW CAN YOU JOIN A GANG AN DONT BE TRUE ABOUT LIKE YOU SAY YOU DO THIS AN THAT FOR YOUR GANG BUT YOU IS JUST A BLUFF!!! DONT MAKE SINCE IF YOU AINT ABOUT IT OR READY TO DIE FOR IT YOU SHOULDNT BE IN A GANG WE NORTENERS NEED RIDE OR DIE SOULJAS OUT HERE WE GOTTA KEEP OUR FAMILIA STRONG NOT WEAK LIKE THEM SUR(SEWER RATS)AMOR DE NORTENOS





--216.182.146.141 (talk) 17:03, 14 May 2008 (UTC)==NORTENO HAIRSTYLE== I was just wonding why nortenos have the indian/mongol type haircuts... i seen some with hair braided on top on the head, and i have seen braided hair in a square on the back of the head.


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[edit] Santa Rita Rules

Only way this could make it onto the wiki page is first, if it is sourced, and second if it is summed up in one paragraph, in correct english. Though references could be made within the article to the original text if necessary for context.

Also keep in mind the rules on edit warring and WP:3RR.Helixweb (talk) 07:17, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] re : santa rita

That why i did not revert it. Im kinda new to the editing thing. so when I checked it I realized it had no reference. whats edit warring ? Sickero (talk) 09:30, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


Hi Sickero, edit warring is what you and 74.228.158.68 were doing, reverting each other's edits repeatedly without discussing on the talk page or working towards consensus. If you guys both do that, the article suffers and consensus is never reached. In regards to the santa rita rules, if you have a source for it, I would definitely recommend putting it in, but I would summarize it, instead of just pasting the whole thing into the article. Thanks and please let me know if you have any other questions.Helixweb (talk) 18:31, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

would a gang research site be enough Sickero (talk) 07:24, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dont edit

The HHP found at the Santa Rita Jail. This is exactly as I found them and I feel making the rules in a list detracts from the orignal form.

I only put it in a list. The text is not changed and is onkly wikified. The sloppy list makes people confused, but nested bullets clear things up. Feel free to discuss things on my talk page if you have any questions or comments. — Stevey7788 (talk) 22:05, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

However putting them up as a list detracts fromthe overall presentation. One reason I put it up is because of the spelling and grammar errors. It's the real deal, made by a Norteno gang member for other Norteno gang members. All of the HHPs I have found are like this and I feel they should be kept like this.

Wikkifing something isnt always the why it should be. People who look for information here deserve the information as it is, raw data. That is why they look here and not the online World Book or Britanicia. Info here is gathered by those who know.

The data isn't changed. The list makes it easier to read, and nothing is changed. However, there will be no more wikifying of the list. — Stevey7788 (talk) 20:24, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Moving page/NPOV

The largest prison gang in the United States is La EME, the rivals of these guys. Thts a fact. When I researched this Surenos or the Mexican Mafia is located in every state Penetentiary. I think this page should be moved to Norteños for consistency with Sureños. In its plural form, there's no need for it to be disambiguated.

Also, is "the biggest, strongest, most notorious prison gang" NPOV?

—Wiki Wikardo

Yes that is definitely a neutral point of view. It is the most organized, but thats it. Who ever said all that about it?

Norteños asta la muerte step into our basrios you better pop a cuete —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.155.216.39 (talk) 21:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


That is not true the number 1 gang in prison out of most of the United states would have to be the Arybian Brotherhood. I found a site that shows what gang resides there and which ones are in prison; the Arybian Brotherhood showed up in almost every jail in almost all 50 states.--Sureno-thug13 15:21, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

The Arubian Brotherhood might be the number one gang, but what he was saying is that the North Side gang is more organized. When they say organize they mean, members know whats going on and that they have rules, policies, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.14.1 (talk) 02:59, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clothing?

[edit] SETRIPPIN

"4.AT NO TIME WILL ANY N. ENDULGE IN ANY HOMOSEXUAL ACTIVITY, SEX PLAY, HORSE PLAY, SETRIPPIN, INDIVIDUALISM, OR HOMEBOY FAVORITISM."

Any ideas on what "SETRIPPIN" means?

I think it means to disgrace another homeboy in the same "set" or "click" because bringing another homeboy down is like saying that you are better than the whole gang.--Sureno-thug13 15:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

"set-trippin" is disrespecting somebody else's hood/gang. For example if you are from a big city in Northern Califas you wouldn't say that a smaller city in Northern Califas sucks. It also means that if you have "funk" with another gang on the streets it's dropped in jail and there is a truce between those members. You are allied in jail and you don't disrespect your carnales in anyway.

Cinik1--Cinik1 (talk) 13:16, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Skraps

Where did the insult Skraps meaning Surenos come from?

Scraps are something you dont need anymore. Other than that, not sure. Thunderlippps 10:37, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The only official color is red, right?

I'm not sure if the Norte XIV colors are red and black or just straight red.

  • It's red but black can be addedGerman16rs 17:51, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Red/Black is the traditional combination, possibly in responce to surenos using blue/white (I'm not sure if its related at all, but these color schemes also ironically mirror the prison alliances). But any Red at all combined with any other color (even blue) is Blood/Norteno. Surenos and crips are tradionally not allowed to wear red for any reason. Although I have seen crip friendly females in the north wear red, and crips outside of california wearing red undies, both as a sign of disrespect. Thunderlippps 04:21, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

NORTENOS WERE RED BLACK AND BROWN SURENOES WERE BLUE GRAY AND BROWN. BROWN IS FOR BROWN PRIDE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.91.98.33 (talk) 05:32, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Well I always tend to forget that the pacific islanders from hawaii are also asians (or at least they claim so, so it is what it is). Taking that into account there are also many samoan blood gangs. But whether they have ever allied with norte's I cant say, although I doubt it. As far as I know the Norte's are closer to the pinoys because they are part spanish (Pinoy's are also close to the surenos for the same reason EG: killer mike) and the samoans seem generally closer to the black gangs and possibley not as interested in latino gang alliances. Plus I understand that the pinoys and the samoans tend to be rivals, which probley makes it difficult for any significant alliance between latino gangs and the samoan crips/bloods. Thunderlippps 13:53, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

KEEP IT SIMPLE.... RED IS NORTH BLUE IS SOUTH —Preceding unsigned comment added by ORREC1 (talk • contribs) 01:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nortenos and surenos online

The POV statement that norteno affiliates and norteno discussion is more prevalent online than other gangs discussion appears to be discounted via a simple google search for results. keyword sureno resulted in 888,000 results. Keyword Norteno resulted in 555.000 results (and no pictures). keywords "sureno, gang" resulted in 62,900. while "norteno,gang" results were 34,600. (results for "crip", 1,960,000) Thunderlippps 03:58, 14 October 2007 (UTC) red is the only color that northerners us e we odnt use any other colors to signify who we are and in point northerns try to keep lowkey so most northerners will not wear it at all 192.8.64.165 (talk) 22:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)GRNEYEZ408SJ192.8.64.165 (talk) 22:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

~SMILEY~ YOU KNOW A COUPLE SURENO GANGS WEAR RED TO, LIKE CULVER CITY 13 AND I THINK EAST SIDE WILMAS DOES TO. THEY BANG RED AND BLUE. I DONT GET IT, I THINK ITS THERE CITYS COLOR, LIKE MY CLICKA BANGS GREEN AND BLUE. IM FROM THAT SS360LILXVALLEY GANG! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.5.229 (talk) 22:28, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] allies/enemies

Should the list of allies and enemies list where the gangs are based or where they are actively allied or against Nortenos? Listing where they are from would be simpler and easier to verify, but I think listing where they are allied or not is more significant. Of course for some gangs like the folks or crips, listing an alliance can be nebulous and confusing because they are sometimes enemies and sometimes allied depending on the situation. Thunderlippps 15:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually Norteños, traditional rivals re the mexican mafia and sur 13 or surenos. you can count the aryan brotherhood or the nlr, the peni skins. other than that its fir game. only if you can cite your info.

hint this info is easily cited.Sickero (talk) 20:10, 24 March 2008 (UTC).