Talk:Norrland
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Historical? How fascinating, since Norrland is an extremely normal concept although not important from an administrative point of view. See map at sv:Norrland. /Habj 19:54, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Entire Norrland
At the time of Engelbrekt, the concept of Norrland must have been very unprecise. How is it possible to say that someone conquered entire Norrland - or did I misunderstand the meaning of that phrasing? / Habj 02:16, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
- The references is there to provide you with the possibility to check that, Habj. // Fred-Chess 01:20, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
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- If it is unclear to someone reading the article but not checking the references, then maybe it can be phrased differently? It makes sense that someone tells someone to conquer the whole of a badly defined area but it is more difficult to say that the person did conquer the whole area without a finer definition of what he actually conquered. As you noticed, I removed that he did conquer entire Norrland ("which he did") since it is not really comprehendable in context. / Habj 11:11, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Jämtland/Härjedalen
Needless to say, but Jämtland/Härjedalen was never part of the historical Norrland. Still today jamtlanders have some problem to accept being called norrlanders. THis is probably mainly due to the fact that one is making a too vast generalisation, but also to some degree to the historical fact that Jämtland/Härjedalen used to be in the backyard of Norway's old capital Trondheim rather than somewhere up in the far north far away from the Mälardalen region. / Hunef 19:23, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Norrland's Eastern border
As far as I know, the border between the Uppsala and Turku dioceses was drawn on Kaakamojoki in 1346. As this was the most stable and important adminstrative division in the area at the time, I think it should be accepted as the border between Norrland and Ostrobothnia. At least, Parish of Ii, about 50 km north of river Oulu (Oulujoki/Uleåälv) has never been considered part of Norrland but was a part of Ostrobothnia. This was evidenced in the raids of men of Ii and Liminka (definitely part of Ostrobothnia) against the Russian-Karelian settlements of Kem on White Sea in the 1550's. Had they been considering themselves part of Norrland, the men of Ii would not have allied themselves with the Ostrobothnian people of Liminka.
As can be seen from the fact that the area we are talking about was actually a hotbed of tribal warfare still in the 16th century, we also see that the only adminstrative division that really mattered was the ecclestiastical. There were no essentially temporal authorities in the area until the 17th century. At that time, the parish of Ii was definitely part of Ostrobothnia, given as a county to the family Natt och Dag. --MPorciusCato 23:54, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The other Norrland flag
There is also another unofficial Norrland flag which is dark green with a golden cross. It is used for example by this web community. Since they are both unofficial, none can be said to be more correct than the other. --Anon 21:00, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
