Talk:Norma Jean (band)

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Contents 1 Other albums 2 Two drummers? 3 New Picture? 4 Southern Rock 5 Hatebreed Comparison? 6 Emo 7 Tooth & Nail 8 Heartcore genre. 9 The Name 10 Hardcore 11 Rapcore 12 Vandal 13 Drummer left the band 14 Not Vandalism 15 The Almighty Norma Jean Vinyl Boxset 16 BBQ sauce 17 Band starting year

[edit] Other albums

There was no mention of the mewithoutYou split and also the Deluxe version of O God. Does anyone want to add the Deluxe O God?

• add any information on the deluxe edition to the regular o god page, but it does not belong in the discography section and certainly does not need its own page. Fezmar9 (talk) 00:11, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Two drummers?

• Does anyone know why they had two drummers playing at the 2006 Ozzfest Seattle show? -- BoaDrummer

• I don't know. Seems odd. they only had one playing the Toronto Ozzfest show. --Pookythegreat 20:10, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

• maybe it was matt putman?

I heard someone say something about a fan playing drums as well. Dunno.

• one was an auxillary set, to provide sounds and effects that may be present on an album, but are impossible to duplicate with a single drummer live. They had an aux. drummer at a show I was at on October 7th in Detroit.

[edit] New Picture?

• This one is kinda old and does not have the newest lineup depicted.
• Yeah, maybe the Redeemer promo picture (where they're all grubby) would be more suited? 82.12.151.178 19:04, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Southern Rock

I don't flippin think so. Name one song by them that is southern rock.

MAN Their Entire new album is southern listen and see if you still disagree

I know its southern. I was speaking of how it's southern METAL. MAKE A PAGE FOR IT!

Redeemer might be considered southern for some of you guys, but if you think about it for a bit, is it actually that important?

AKnot 05:58, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

They are metalcore. Southern Metal/Rock is something like Maylene and the Sons of Disaster, definity NOT Norma Jean. You could also put them in the mathcore category, but they fit Metalcore more appropriately. IronCrow 00:51, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hatebreed Comparison?

That has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Hatebreed? Bless the Martyr? BtM was the album that had the most comparisons to Botch and even to Isis to some extent. I'm gonna remove that Hatebreed comment.

Fmalcangi 07:02, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

That whole section was unsourced, anyway. Someone could redo the comparisons, but have actual proof for the consensus view on the sound of the record. I don't think anyone who whas half a mind would have ever said they sound like Hatebreed.

Fmalcangi 07:06, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Emo

Some bastard put their genre as emo. Theyre not even close to emo so whoevers doing this should stop. Its probably some loser vandal who doesnt like this band and thinks itd be funny to put emo as their genre. I changed it back to metalcore. --Burger king 02:16, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Good job for paying attention to that. Just like southern rock before that, they are not emo.

AKnot 03:49, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Norma Jean Is Frickin Southern Metal not Metalcore. Metalcore is bands like Zao and Winter Solstice.

Maybe so but primarily they are metalcore/mathcore. Also Southern metal segment in Southern rock isn't enough. One more thing, your statement doesn't really prove anything.

AKnot 23:33, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

If they were southern metal they would be listed in www.metal-archives.com they are a Hardcore band with little metal influence.

Little metal influence? Apparently you've never listened to them because Norma Jean is definitly metal. IronCrow 21:50, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Sigh...Why don't we get some sources for the genres here? First off, because a band is not listed in MA does not mean they are not metal. Second of, Norma Jean is not metal. Metalcore/hardcore I would say. I am getting sources for it as we speak. --Wick3dd 03:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Do you not realize that Metalcore is a form of metal? IronCrow (talk) 03:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tooth & Nail

Some whack-job put their record company as Tooth & Nail. They were never on it, but they were on their division, Solid State Records, which supports HEAVIER Christian music that T&N. I deleted T&N.--HappyBoy 18:29, 8 November 2006 (UTC)HappyBoy

Well I put it in there. Calling a whack-job is a bit too much. I put it there since they are part of Tooth & Nail (not exactly but noneoftheless part of it) since they manufacture the records.

AKnot 00:31, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Well They aren't really metalcore eitherMaylene777 15:17, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Wrong topic. Also since they are mathcore, they are metalcore.

AKnot 00:49, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heartcore genre.

The genre[1] edited recently has been removed for not having enough information about itself.

Also Norma Jean is Metalcore/Mathcore; if they were Hardcore or Post-Hardcore, heartcore would be considered.

AKnot 01:14, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

The name subsection has no sources cited. Anyone wanna fix that?

68.225.46.115 00:03, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Name

The band was originally named "Luti-Kriss". To avoid confusion with the rapper "Ludacris", who happened to be from the same area, a name change was in order. In addition, a name change was a good opportunity to progress from the music of "Luti-Kriss". Marilyn Monroe did spark the idea, but they had a whole list of names they were trying to pick from. The word "pattern" happened to be in a couple of those names, so the word "pattern" had a special meaning that the band wanted to incorporate into a new name. In spite of Norma Jean being on a list of potential names among other names that used the word "pattern", the initial vocalist for the band, Josh Scogin, looked up the meaning of the word Norma and discovered that it means "patterns". The band agreed it was a strange coincidence, because Norma Jean was among their favorite names, but it had little to no meaning. They then looked up the meaning for the word "Jean", and found that it means "God’s grace and mercy". Together then, the name means "patterns of God’s grace and mercy".

I removed this text because 1) it was unsourced 2) it is poorly written & 3) "Norma" does not mean "patterns" and "Jean" does not mean "God's grace and mercy". --Awesome 04:47, 25 February 2007 (UTC) They said in an interview that that's why they picked it.

Although I was skeptical at first, that paragraph is true. Just google "Norma Jean patterns of God's grace and mercy". Tons and tons of sources, mostly interviews with the band. Maybe someone should rewrite that and source it? I would do it, but I don't really wish to take the time for a band that I consider mediocre haha. --Wick3dd 03:29, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hardcore

Well they can fall under the Metalcore genre but their music is more on the side of Toughguy hardcore and has little to no metal elements.

Uh... Have you ever listened to them?IronCrow 00:54, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I really wouldn't put them under Toughguy. Metalcore maybe, but thast such a broad label. I really think the genre that fits them the most is mathcore.

[edit] Rapcore

Im standing by the word, Norma Jean IS Rapcore.

How? Examples? AKnot 08:12, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Really? haha, name a song. IronCrow 05:02, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandal

Some one came and changed the genre and city. I changed the city back to the right one, not sure what genres should be changed back too.

[edit] Drummer left the band

The drummer Daniel Davison has left the band as of Sept 20, 2007. http://www.normajeannoise.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.192.21.42 (talk) 13:03, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

learn reading. --JD de {æ} 17:05, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Not Vandalism

Sorry, I was using the Norma Jean page as a base for a different band, and accidentally posted it in Norma Jean's... Sorry again :P —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acid 1 (talk • contribs) 06:08, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Almighty Norma Jean Vinyl Boxset

i cant find any record of this being it's name, or of it having an actual name. on interpunk on vinyl collective it's just referred to as the "norma jean 4 disc collection" with a collage of their album art. does anyone actually have this collection that can confirm this? otherwise i think the "almighty" should be removed. Fezmar9 (talk) 21:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] BBQ sauce

i read somewhere (i cant find it anymore sadly) that they have their own style of BBQ sauce called "oh god, the BBQ sauce." is there any truth to this because i cant find any proof? its believable due to their love of BBQ sauce but i still want proofWhitey138 (talk) 21:50, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

sorry for not being able to give you a source but it's true. their label did a competition in which one could win the sauce. i don't know what it was called but it was a norma jean bbq sauce. ah, wait: here it is. --JD de {æ} 17:31, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Band starting year

why would you say they formed in 1997. They were Luti-kriss. Regardless of lineup, they are still a different band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acid 1 (talk • contribs) 08:15, 1 June 2008 (UTC)