Talk:Norfolk (disambiguation)
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This bit looks wrong: The name Norfolk, originally a region in England, comes from "north folk" (referring to people in part of what is now England, as opposed to those in the east ("Essex"), south ("Suffolk"), and west ("Wessex"))
Different naming systems must have been in operation here - Essex and (most of?) Wessex were further south than Suffolk, so clearly the "South Folk" (and by extension the "North Folk") were not being contrasted with the people of Essex ("East Saxons") and Wessex ("West Saxons"). The "North Folk" and "South Folk" together make up the region of East Anglia, so I would guess that the contrast was only meant within that area. -- Oliver Pereira 23:24 Nov 22, 2002 (UTC)
- Right. They were talking about their folks as the north and south branches of the "family" just as the Saxons named their part of the island for their kin to the east and the ones to the west. So the analogy is to their subdividing their area geographically, just as the tribes in the other parts of the island did. (Confer "highland" and "lowland" Scots.) -- isis 23:46 Nov 22, 2002 (UTC)
Isis, you are the one that started being silly. "The Duke of Norfolk" means little - there have been many dukes of Norfolk. When I asked which one, you replied, "whichever (all of them)", which is nothing but silliness. Clearly, whoever designed the jacket designed it for whichever duke was living at the time, and not for "whichever", or for "all of them". I have done a brief search of the Web for confirmation of the jacket's origins, and all the pages just seem to repeat the same story that it was designed for "the" Duke of Norfolk. There is nothing more specific, so it sounds like little more than a rumour. If you can find a reliable statement as to which duke it was designed for, then put in which duke it was designed for. Until then, all that can be said is that it is said to have been designed for a past duke of Norfolk. -- Oliver Pereira 00:01 Nov 24, 2002 (UTC)
Glad to see you being more precise now. :) Incidentally, what is your reference for deciding that it was the 11th Duke of Norfolk? (As a general query - should we all be including references for everything, in fact? Otherwise, how do we know where people are getting things from...?) -- Oliver Pereira 02:09 Nov 24, 2002 (UTC)
Isis, please could you let me know what's going on with the Duke of Norfolk thing? You yourself said that it was Charles Howard, 11th Duke of Norfolk, but now you have removed his name. Is it that you couldn't find a reference saying that it was him, or is there some other reason? I would never have much cared who the Norfolk jacket was named after, but now after all this fuss, I have to know! -- Oliver PEREIRA 04:25 Jan 19, 2003 (UTC)
Norfolk, VA is the site of a major US Navy base but is itself a city, not a navy base.
[edit] Norfolk, USA?
I'm relatively new to Wikipedia, though I know enough to know that any humble American who suggests something inclusive of America runs the risk of being accused of cultural imperialism. (Not by the majority, mind you, but by a certain element.) So please don't bite me for this suggestion; I mean it with the purest of intentions. Norfolk, Virginia has a population of about 250,000 and most Americans (all ~300 million of us) think of it when we hear the word "Norfolk". Yes, yes, "America is not the world", but isn't a disambiguation page the most inclusive thing to do? It seems that that was the status quo until about a year ago when there was near-unilateral action to move Norfolk, England to Norfolk (see Talk:Norfolk) and no one has undone it. About 1000-1500 links each point to both Norfolk and Norfolk, Virginia, and I guarantee you many of those "Norfolk" links are intended for Norfolk, Virginia as placed by misinformed countrymen of mine. What are your thoughts? Raggaga 02:34, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Jockey of Norfolk, be not too bold..."
My apologies, I should have checked the discussion page before making a change. I was searching for the reference to the phrase "Jockey of Norfolk, be not too bold//For Dickon thy master is bought and sold", and I was surprised to find that although the subject of the saying, John Howard, had an article in Wikipedia, my query sent me to the disambiguation page. so I added that reference.
Now I see there has been a whole discussion about it, that moved every Duke of Norfolk out of the disambig page and into the Norfolk County page. I suspect this is a mistake by Americans who don't realise that peers often have no connection to the place their peerage is named after, any more than the Manhattan Project should be placed in the "History of New York" article, or the Omaha Beach landings placed in the "Nebraska" entry, or the USS Maine in the state of Maine. I'll leave it alone, but given that my searches for that famous phrase led me nowhere even though Wikipedia actually has the article on it, I think Richard I's Norfolk, at least, deserves a place here. — Del C 20:56, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
