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I removed the section below because no indication is given that anyone ever claimed that these are related to the Nommo. I wouldn't be averse to their reinclusion, as long as connections are explicit. Tuf-Kat 06:21, Nov 12, 2003 (UTC)
Zecharia Sitchin, an archaeologist and linguist specialising in the Sumerian and Hebrew languages, claims that an ancient race of extraterrestrials, the Anunnaki, genetically engineered the original humans, and that they probably still exist in some form or another, with some degree of influence over humankind. These beings are speculated by Sitchin to be either reptilian, quasi-reptilian, or amphibious, from ancient description.
- Did he ever claim that these beings were the Nommo of Dogon lore?
Erich von Däniken theorises that extraterrestrials have influenced human history for millennia, and that they may have influenced human evolution.
- Did he ever claim that these beings were the Nommo of Dogon lore?
Robert Anton Wilson once claimed to have contacted three-eyed beings from Sirius.
- Did he ever claim that these beings were the Nommo of Dogon lore?
Timothy Leary claimed contact with three-eyed beings from Sirius.
- Did he ever claim that these beings were the Nommo of Dogon lore?
Pythagoras spoke esoterically of a magickal Mother Essence coming from Sirius, which may have been the result of his having spoken to priests of Isis in Egypt. He apparently believed in many worlds, and in higher intelligences.
- Did he ever claim that these beings were the Nommo of Dogon lore?
The Zulu shaman Credo Mutwa claims that the Zulu people have known of a reptilian species for centuries. He is the official historian of the Zulu people. He mentions amphibious beings from Sirius in his book, Song of the Stars.
- Did he ever claim that these beings were the Nommo of Dogon lore?
The Sumerian God Enki, said to have created the first humans (Adam), had a mystical connection with Sirius, as well as water, and was depicted as amphibious or semi-fish on many occasions.
- Has anybody ever claimed that these beings were the Nommo of Dogon lore?
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[edit] The Gnostic Archons
The Gnostics believed in a class of beings they called 'Archons', meaning 'rulers', who came from the stars and ruled over Humankind in the physical realm. Some of these beings were said to have come from Sirius, particularly those believed in by Gnostics living in Egypt.
- Has anybody ever claimed that these beings were the Nommo of Dogon lore?
- The connection to the Nommo should be obvious. Especially in the case of Credo Mutwa--he spoke of the Nommo themselves from the perspective of the Zulu people! (Khranus)
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- However, if you can't personally see the connection, it gives you NO RIGHT to delete the information. The connections will arise with new knowledge. Khranus
- The connections are not obvious. The Dogon believe in deities that they connect with a particular star -- therefore anybody that combines some sort of alien-type creature with the same star is describing the same beings? That doesn't make any sense... surely it is possible that the Dogon beliefs are unrelated to actual Sirius-aliens, or that there are no aliens/deities and the Dogon are simply wrong, or a thousand other possibilities. If Sitchin et al claimed that the deities of Dogon mythology are equivalent to aliens from Sirius, then include that claim. Otherwise, this is just a random collection of facts with a few minor connections. Tuf-Kat 02:53, Nov 13, 2003 (UTC)
- However, if you can't personally see the connection, it gives you NO RIGHT to delete the information. The connections will arise with new knowledge. Khranus
- Start a new page on Beings from Sirius if you wish to propagate information correlating to that subject and have an interactive knowledge base. Information grows on digital trees also. - Kaos
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I've cleaned up the article. Are we ok to remove the NPOV and Standards tags? Isotope23 15:21, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
I've removed the tags. If anyone disputes the neutrality of this article or feels it need further work, go ahead and restore the tags. Isotope23 1 July 2005 12:55 (UTC)
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"Some have made a connection between the Nommo and the "ancient ones" in the Cthulhu stories of H.P. Lovecraft." Removed as unsourced. If you can source this claim, add it back in.--Isotope23 19:46, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
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The entire voice of the controvery bit is set from a European academic perspective, there is no counter our other claims from African Academic sources like Van Sertima etc. Even today in the NEW AFRICA magazine there is a huge article on this. Please discuess and until an agreement is reached do not remove any tags as Wiki rules allow dispute tags to be placed esp when a debate is in progress. It is dishonest not to question this section which has one plan to discredit the Dogon. --Enathager (talk) 20:01, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
- No one is discreding the Dogon. Van Sertima is an American academic born in Britain, he is not an African although he obviously has African ancestors (so do we all, but of course for some of us ours are further back). And Wiki 'rules' have something to say about calling other editors dishonest. The tag was put on without any discussion or effort to do anything by an IP editor with only one other edit to their name, thus possibly someone who had no idea what they were doing. There was no debate in progress.
And no one so far seems able to say how the Dogon are being discredited (or more importantly, show that they think they are). If they are, is it Temple who is discrediting them by suggesting that Nommos were aliens?
- I will be very interested to see evidence that the Dogon are being discredited, since that seems to be the substance of the complaint. Let's concentrate on that please.--Doug Weller (talk) 20:24, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
when all the evidence sources are being used to say 'they didnt and they couldnt' it is biased per the tag. to develop the article i am sure more could be done to research the counter to the claim. it is a mystery how African-American van sertimas place of birth has to do with his knowledge on dogon!!! i guest no one can have a theory about jupiter unless from jupiter. but what is the issue is the trend where any and everything 'good' in Africa is disnissed by western scholars.--Enathager (talk) 22:49, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
see http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/S/Siriusred.html more detail on the argument] i am sure if this stuff is added to show both sides for and against it would be better, the issue is the article only champions crushing dogon claim.--Enathager (talk) 23:02, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
- You wanted African scholarship, all I was pointing out that Van Sertima is not African. And the article definitely does not champion crushing the Dogon. Saying that the Dogon didn't get information from aliens is not an insult to them. Nor is saying that they didn't have astronomical knowledge that wasn't know elsewhere either an insult to them. And with all respect to you, that encyclopedia neither adds anything new to the discussion nor is acceptable as a source (you might want to read up on Wikipedia guidance on this) (and it is certainly not African).Doug Weller (talk) 07:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
