Talk:Nominative determinism
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[edit] Hans Blix
UN assigned WoMD inspector, the person looking for arms: Hans Blix
How is this nominative determinism? Andjam 11:19, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- I think it's meant to be a very poor pun on Arms - Hands - Hans. Might as well remove it (he isn't looking for hands per se). smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 13:52, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Thomas Crapper
I don't think Crapper is the perfect example since the name for the device, and therefore the name of the act, came from the name of the inventor. I think if you research it, the word "crap" didn't come into existance until Crapper invented the water closet. (Unsigned comment from an IP address)
After research, it would appear that crap predates Thomas Crapper! However, the statement about Thomas Crapper was an opinion, against Wiki policies so I removed it. MortimerCat 12:02, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Lt. Mike Kafka
I have a name that's very fitting an amusing, but it might be a far stretch — Lt. Mike Kafka, who was a navy spokesman at Guantanamo. You know, the camp where the prisoners don't get to see lawyers, don't know what they're in for and will likely never get out. Is it too obscure? Here's an article about it: [1] HertzaHaeon 01:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I think it may be a little obscure, certainly not on a par with Cardinal Sin! Pennywisepeter 14:45, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Christenfeld, Phillips, and Glynn
The paper cited by ChristenFeld, Phillips, and Glynn does not appear to be about the same topic as this article. It discusses the Theory of Deadly Initials, which is the theory that persons with "positive" initials have greater life expectancies than persons with "negative" initials.
Perhaps this is considered "nominative determinism", but if so, our article doesnt say anything about that aspect of the topic. The article should be enhanced, or the citation should be deleted. -- Dominus 18:37, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Lord Brain
Added Lord Brain as another example. A nice one this, particular as it links to a nice article on him. Routlej1 18:48, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Per Hertz
Not sure I get this one. Doesn't seem to be of note either. seeing as we now seem to have plenty of examples, I think this one can be safely deleted. Routlej1 18:50, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Nozomi and Hikari
The names in and of themselves have nothing to do with the locomotive industry, as Nozomi (望) means "wish" and Hikari (光) means light...they are also girls' names. The majority of the Shinkansen trains in existance are nicknamed after girls. If I built a computer for my school's network server and nicknamed it "Johnson", does that mean that everyone born with the name of "Johnson" has a latent disposition to use computers from that day forth? Hurricanes are nicknamed after boys and girls all the time, does that mean that anyone that works for the weather service with the name of a past or future hurricane was predisposed by name? Names referring to the component nature of a practice qualify, but I don't think sticking a nickname onto something and then saying that henceforth anyone with the name will be stuck under this umbrella does.Neoyamaneko 23:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Don't merge
from the aptronym page The articles would seem to suggest that they are different things. I had not heard of aptronyms before but they seem to primarily refer to fictional names. The other article is about an alleged or humourous theory that roles are assumed according to one's name. It is widely discussed in papers and journals and deserves an article. I has become something of a boffins game to find them in technical journals. I just found all this on the random page, sorry if I am late to discussion. - Fred 14:40, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Have I got it wrong?
The definition given here seems to be for aptronym - a name that aptly fits the character. Nominative determinism would seem rather to mean - and when and if I can find the Post-It, I'll quote the source - that the name determines, decides, informs the character. It is fiction, of course, we're talking about and how a name can decide the personality of a character. Interestingly, that would probably change with each reader. Maybe there is no author, only the reader. I am new here, but with regard to the signature requirements - huh? Tafkalfolly 23:44, 12 July 2007 (UTC)Tafkal Folly (hope I got this right)
[edit] Merge proposal
Renewed proposal for merger of nominative determinism and aptronym. While some text at the latter attempts to distinguish the two concepts, it completely fails to do so, is blatant original research, and appears to have been inserted after the former merge proposal in an attempt to justify separate articles. Actually reading them shows that they are in fact duplicate articles in every meaningful respect, including the nature of their mutually-redundant lists of notable examples, and the explanation of what the terms mean. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 06:40, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
- I have to say, I read the articles and could not for the life of me understand the difference. Maybe someone could explain it better and rewrite the lead? mattbuck (talk) 12:16, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
- Re-read the last paragraph in each's lead. It makes the distinction pretty clear.
- Equivalently, Correlation does not imply Causation, but Causation implies Correlation. For consistency, merging aptronym & ND would require we also merge causation & correlation. Which would render wikipedia a joke. Saltation (talk) 22:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] In fiction
I think this article could benefit from a discussion of nominative determinism in fiction. It seems to happen particularly in children's literature, possibly as a way of helper readers to follow who's who. (In Harry Potter, consider Remus Lupin, a werewolf). Unfortunately I don't have any reliable sources I can recommend. 81.174.226.229 (talk) 09:25, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
