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To be perfectly honest, Im not sure how Noise pop was a mutation on Ska. Velvet Underground is definitely an influence and I can see how Birthday Party, Pop Group and The Smiths might be an influence, but Madness? Motown Junkie 17:23, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] I agree

...noice pop is just that--pop music covered in noise, like Sonic Youth or, more recently, Pavement.

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in my opinion, "noise pop" was a term created solely to describe Psychocandy. to me, sonic youth, pavement, dinosaur jr et. al. are simply good examples of alternative/indie in general. it's hardly a real genre, really. Joeyramoney 21:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

• I think sonic youth, pavement, dinosaur jr have some noise pop songs, but not all of their songs are, I put them in because they're the ones pointed out on AMG [1], and genres are hard to define anyway --Surachit 15:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, Noise Pop is more of a descriptive term for "noisy" indie music like JMC. It's not really easy to recognise what is so-called "noise pop" once you get outside of that small number of bands. Please don't get this article mixed up with Noise Rock either; that stuff is much more chaotic and closer to a mix of "noise" music and extreme punk, metal and hardcore. I'm not even sure Sonic youth should be in that category, as they are compose mostly fairly recogniseable songs. Check out noise-rock bands like Boredoms and Gore Beyond Necropsy and you'll probably hear the difference between noise rock and so-called noise pop.

Definitely don't merge this page with Noise rock. Two distinct styles of music. Noise rock is closer to experimental music at times (which is what Allmusic.com places the genre under) and derives mainly from punk rock and No Wave. Noise pop primarily derives from the Jesus and Mary Chain. WesleyDodds 08:40, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

As with a lot of genres, there is a deviation between the orgin and actual usage, for instance Rites of Spring hardly resembles the modern "emo" music genre. This, too, seems to be the case, and compounding the problem is the fact that only a handful of bands from a decade or so could safely fall into this genre. So, I feel to fully improve this article, we must identify what "noise pop" is definitively. Could the warm, ethereal hum of the "You Made Me Realise" EP by My Bloody Valentine fall into the noise pop domain? What are the cliche or stereotypical elements to noise pop; i.e. is it heavy distortion and sugary pop lyrics? This movement in music is influential, if not on it's own standing, but as it relates to modern indie and alternative rock, and of course shoegaze. FerventDove 18:14, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Good discussion here. I'll say and agree that noise pop and noise rock really have nothing to do with each other. AMG is just mistaken on that one. Also agree there's never been any actual scene for this music, either. 'Noise Pop' is just a descriptive term for small number of rock bands. -- Andy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.188.228.26 (talk) 01:19, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sample

I really think the sample needs to be changed from the MBV song. Though MBV are noise pop, in addition to other things, most noise pop is usually a little lighter in tone and not as suffocating as that MBV song, or even most shoegaze-MBV. I suggest either something from 'Psychocandy', something from The Wedding Present's 'Seamonsters', or something from the first Velocity Girl ep. I'd do it, but I don't know how to. Other than that though, this is a good entry. -- Andy