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[edit] Old style debate

This article is a candidate for a featured article, so I'd like to point out some serious deficiencies in the writing style. Taking the first section, "Biography" (and excluding a number of spelling, punctuation and capitalization issues -- note songs should be in quotes, albums in italics, and "90's" should have no apostrophe):

[edit] EDITED

The Gallagher brothers grew up in the suburb of Burnage. - Liam should be introduced in this section before he is referred to
Noel first began to teach himself to play guitar at the age of 13... after receiving six months' probation for robbing a cornershop. - Make two sentences, or explain how the probation was a cause/effect of teaching himself to play guitar
,Both Liam and Noel were regular truants and no strangers to the local constabulary in their teens. "no strangers to the local constabulary" is too informal and imprecise -- it is implying something unstated, and encyclopedia articles do not imply, they tell
Still too informal. "no strangers to the local constabulary" still means more than it says. Does it really mean that the boys had met all/many/some number of local police officers? Did they have some kind of special relationship with the cops that arrested Noel? All it likely means is that they were regularly cited for something presumably, truancy, by local police, but never got in serious trouble until Noel's arrest. If this is meant, say it.
In April 1984, Peggy took her three boys and left Tommy who is an alcoholic known for his violent mood swings. It isn't immediately obvious who Tommy is. Refer to him as "her husband" (assuming that's true) or something similar. The third boy's existence is not yet explained -- who is he? older or younger? name? "known for his violent mood swings" sounds like he's famous for them -- this is implying that she left because he is an alcoholic with violent mood swings. If that's why she left, say that she left because he is an alcoholic with violent mood swings.
Much of the late 1980's found Noel unemployed and living in a bedsit splitting his time between drugs, songwriting and devising plans to get within "Slapping distance" of Margaret Thatcher. 1) I assume bedsit is a Britishism; is there a way to say this without confusing anyone? 2) If Noel said he spent most of the late 80s devising plans to get within slapping distance of Thatcher, reference it and explain why he was upset with her.
In 1992, Noel returned to Manchester to find that his brother had formed a band, "Rain" (actually, Liam had joined the band in the hope of dragging along Noel "with his songs"). the parenthetical comment contradicts the first part. If there is an error, fix it.
No longer contradictory, but now just a very strangely-worded sentence.
The very first time Oasis played together they promised they were going to be the best, that they'd never settle for the dull thud of mediocrity, and they wasted little time in proving it. POV
From the very start, Noel's arrogant front resisted the security of the obvious, for example, they never sent a demo to a record company, rather waited for their host of classic songs to be send a record deal to them, which it did in the form of Creation Records' Alan McGee, who saw them at a club gig in Glasgow. Run-on sentence. What is "security of the obvious"?
Current version's taking the obvious, cliched route of most up-and-coming bands is POV. Sending demos to record companies is not "obvious" and "cliched", it's a vital component of the industry.
Thanks in no small part to Noel, Oasis went on to become one of the most popular and successful British acts ever. Noel is one of only a few band members, so it's obvious he played a non-small part. If his talents played a more significant part than the other members', explain how and who believes so.
His amazing catalouge of songs - written in the storehouses and the bedsits he had wanted to take a swipe at the Iron Lady for - provided the fuel for Oasis to blaze the way for British music in the 90's. 1) "amazing catalogue" is POV 2) what does the location he wrote songs in have to do with this? 3) what does the Iron Lady have to do with the storehouses and bedsits? 4) Who is the Iron Lady? 5) "fuel... to blaze the way" is POV 6) The last part ("provided... in the 90s") doesn't mean much -- is it implying that many/all/most post-Oasis British bands imitated/drew on/enjoyed/were influenced by Gallagher's songwriting? if so, say so and tell who believes it.
They are also attributed... Passive voice should be avoided.

:The first album to be named is Morning Glory, and even that is only named in reference to a party held after its success.

The last paragraph in this section contains a number of references to things Noel said. These should be referenced.

If my comments seem overly critical, I don't mean it that way. It's actually a good article (though there do seem to be a lot of typos). That these stylistic errors are the biggest problems shows that there are no significant deficits to complain about. Still, it's not yet up to featured status. (A couple of issues noted above concern Thatcher. While any in depth description of Thatcher's policies and critics should be in her article, this article needs to be understandable on its own, even for someone who has never heard of her.) Tuf-Kat 20:50, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)

Good job. Recent edits are an improvement! Tuf-Kat
Changed everything I knew how to change, if you can think of a way of changing anything I haven't changed, by all mean do it. Seems up to scratch, I'm very happy with it.--Crestville 13:43, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Fantastic job. - Big Billy V

Just letting you people know, the guitar in the picture is def. not an epiphone casino, looks like a gibson les paul to me. - DJ

Sorry, yeah, he changed it.--Crestville 14:02, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Neutrality disputed

My justification for the NPOV tag is here pasted from FAC: Extremely biased, containing many personal assertions such as "Gallagher's bravado certainly warrants merit considering the commercial and critical success of Oasis", "which reveals his lonely, paranoid state", "the fiasco of Be Here Now", "Noel's arrogant front", "The arguments seem to pit Noel's calm, complacent wit, logic and canniness against Liam's arrogance, tendency to fly off the handle..."; the subject is constantly referred to by his first name. 119 21:12, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYeah, that's why I requested a peer review. However I don't think "Noel's arrogant front" and "The arguments seem to pit Noel's calm, complacent wit, logic and canniness against Liam's arrogance, tendency to fly off the handle..." are POV. He is arrogant and if you read the transcripts of the arguments, you will find that their arguments do pit Noel's calm, complacent wit, logic and canniness against Liam's arrogance and tendency to fly off the handle.--Crestville 21:15, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ah, hello. My name is Mr.... uh..Shnrub.... and I come from......Far Far Away (yes, that ought to do it). Anway, i think this article is the best article ever, and much better than the one about Liam and Robbie Williams and should be left alone for ever and ever. Yours etc. Lord Baden Powell Powell Powell Baden Shnrub (deceased)
Meg's surname Mathews is spelled with one "T". Which of course on the main page I put in italics. And I also spell checked for the main page. I also fixed some of the items that weren't italized like the title "Come Together". Wikipedia is supposed to be in our own words not cut and pastes from other articles. Noel and the rest of the boys deserve a page that is fair in its content and not a pro or con. It's an encylopedia, just the facts are needed.

Ironically, Liam's page is not disputed. Too many POV's are included on Noel's page and encylopedia's are not about point of view's, just facts. Also edited Lennon to The Beatles regarding the songs "Rain" and "Come Together" They are credited to Lennon/McCartney and have always been credited to Lennon/McCartney much like "Yesterday" has Lennon's name on the credit, even though he had nothing to do with it. All of the Beatles songs (with the exception of solo Harrison and Starkey compositions) are credited to Lennon/McCartney regardless of who really wrote it. Except on the album "Please Please Me" where the credits are McCartney/Lennon. And McCartney wanted to switch the credits to that on one of his recent solo albums. ALL non George/Ringo songs are credited under the Lennon/McCartney umbrella. Even "Give Peace a Chance" (solo John) is credited to Lennon-McCartney because McCartney played on The Beatles' "The Ballad of John & Yoko" (George and Ringo were not on that session).

Under post Britpop, did the turn of the century "not bode well" for Gallagher [awkward terminology,] due to Bonehead's departure, or was he "unfased" [spelling?] as the next sentence states -- either way, its incorrect.

[edit] Building Company

I thought Noel was working for British Gas and not his father's building company when he sustained the injury and worked in the store room. Can anyone shed further light on this?

I thought so too. It would be in Paul Gallagher's "Brothers" book. It's a shame that Noel doesn't have a proper Wikipedia entry.

What do you mean? This is a proper entry you cheeky get.--Crestville 22:23, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Edited

Unless Noel Gallagher specifically mentioned the Johnny Depp film "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" it is only speculation to say that he had "fear and loathing" in his eyes as for the reason he went to Vegas after leaving a tour after having a fight with Liam.

Though I understand why you deleted it, Gallagher actually has sited the book (the film would not then have been released) as an influence behind his actions on the Definetely maybe dvd.--Crestville 22:16, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Moved from top

Hello , thanks for your reply, also, sorry if I came across as being rude. You're right - I should have paid more attention to the wikipedia guidelines before getting on my high horse about this. I'm assuming that rules about this must vary, as we had different rules at many universities throughout the UK. I apologise for criticising your grammar!

[edit] neutrality

Any objections to me moving the pov sign? I'll give it a couple of days & if there are no objections I'll scrap it.--Crestville 22:34, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Featured Music Project evaluation

Noel Gallagher has been evaluated according to the Featured Music Project criteria, most recently affirmed as of this revision. The article's most important issues are listed below. Since this evaluation, the article may have been improved.

The following areas need work to meet the criteria: Comprehensiveness - Pictures - Audio - References - Discography - Format/Style
The space below is for limited discussion on this article's prospects as a featured article candidate. Please take conversations to the article talk page.
  • Comprehensiveness: A section, or at least a paragraph or two somewhere, about musical and songwriting style, influences and legacy, some critical perceptions of his work (preferably both positive and negative)
  • Pictures: Needs fair use rationales, and preferably a free pic
  • Audio: Needs sound samples
  • References: More inline cites would be nice, especially sales figures and chart rankings and stuff like "album did not live up to long-term expectations, and the public's goodwill towards Be Here Now was short-lived"; also, a print source that is not a biography would be a good addition
  • Discography: should have a discography, preferably with a link to an Oasis discography with all the details
  • Format/Style: Trivia and quotes sections need to go, turn "Controversy"into paragraphs, integrate and remove see also links
  • Lead: Free pic would be nice
  • Sales: Looks good

[edit] Elder statesman

I think whomever described Gallagher as an "elder statesman" needs to look up the definition; an elder statesman is generally one whose views are respected, while the context here seems clear that he is known for spouting off controversially whenever he feels the urge. --Saforrest 19:54, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I disagree entirely - though Gallagher is famous for slagging off other bands, his opinions on music and popular culture are well respected. He is repected for his ability to cut through the chaff and put complex point in simple, often humourous, ways and for his understanding of music and the music industry. That's why magazines likw NME describe him as an "wise man" or "elder Statesman". In fact, Q magazine described him as such only this month. If you feel there is a problem, perhaps you could change the context so that it is clear that he is famous for his outbursts but also deeply respected for his knowlege. --Crestville 20:24, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

What a pile of nonsense - the term elder statesman has been thrown at gallagher by a journalist. If you think he is deeply respected for his knowledge, you clearly haven't ever had any dealings with anyone in the music industry!

And neither has the music journalist? Please sign your comments--Crestville 16:11, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] BELU

NOEL ES EL MAS CAPO....PERO LIAM NO SE QEDA ATRAS... LOS DOS SON DIBERTIDOS...CREO Q LA BANDA ES UNA DE LAS MEJORES.... QUISIERA SABER SI HAY ALGUIEN QUE HABLE CASTELLANO?

Que?--Crestville 23:40, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Images

I know their free or whatever, but these new images are poor. Anyway we can use the system to get some good picture. We need one from early, mid and late 90s.--Crestville 22:03, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

These images are poor, agreed. I've tried asking many photographers if It's possible to use their photographs, because the good quality ones require that bit. Most I can't find and others have to have some semi liscensed act. I'm getting rather frustrated with this. --Bang bang you're dead 23:00, 09 June 2006 (UTC)

Don't get worked up. It's not the end of the world. We might be able to use close-ups from album covers or at worst just be cheeky and swap them for ones we (who are connected to the topic, rather than just disinterested admins) like, but which are just semi-licenced. Chin up our lass.--Crestville 18:55, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah not to worried really, just havin a bit of fun now with it. Plus, with the summer here I've got time to argue with people I've never met before about photographs and the like. I never turn down an argument, no matter how pathetic the purpose.. Bang Bang you're Dead

[edit] Maine Road

THE PIC WHERE NOEL HAS THE UNION JACK GUITAR IS ESSENTIAL...


[edit] Footnotes

Please fix the footnotes. Sandy 00:50, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

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... me? Anyway. Made some small changes. Let's see where this thing goes. — riana_dzasta • t • c • e • 16:09, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article renomination

I see this article failed the Featured Article vote, but what does everyone think of renominating it as a Good Article candidate? WesleyDodds 21:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I tryed but they said no, and it was suggested I go straight to FA--Crestville 22:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
That's . . . odd. WesleyDodds 05:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
that's what i thought. by all means, re-nominate it if you think it will work--Crestville 16:10, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll renominate it once a few things are fixed up:

  • The "Attitude" section should be after the personal history
  • The Oasis section seems pretty heavy on the band as opposed to Noel's history regarding the band. Some of this material could even be used on the Oasis page.
  • Some citations need to be provided, as noted.

Otherwise looking rather good. WesleyDodds 08:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mention

Anyone else see the mention of the Phil Collins paragraph on Gonzo? Bang Bang You're Dead 02:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

NO! What did he say?--Crestville 15:27, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I've just replied to you.. For anyone else, it's in one of the four parts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA61wnO_ci8 -- Bang Bang You're Dead 22:24, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I put a quote from the interview on the Phil Collins Feud paragraph but got deleted. Not sure why :(

I'll check for you.--Crestville 17:09, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I looked at the history and from what I can tell, your edit hasn't been removed. If its the one about him being bald, it's still in there.--Crestville 17:14, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah, thankyou I was talking rubbish- hadn't refreshed my browser!

You're very welcome. I'll put a citation in for it so it doesn't get removed.--Crestville 17:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] legend!!!!!!!!

HE IS WB —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.129.27.134 (talk) 19:28, 24 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Atheist

I didn't know he was a heathen. Where does it say he is a heathen. I checked a while back it said he was a Catholic. I've never read he was a heathen.

24.84.141.89 05:12, 3 May 2007 (UTC)shazam

"Heathen: derogative, one who is regarded as irreligious, uncivilized, or unenlightened. The unconverted" "Agnostic: a. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God. b. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism." "Atheist: One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods."

All dictionary definitions. Choose your terms more carefully. 82.176.196.155 18:16, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wisest Man in Rock...

This article in no way shape or form shows Noel Gallagher as being the wisest man in rock or even close to being smart. I don't know much about him, but his "outspoken" opinions seem to be him talking about how much he hates things with hundred dollar adjectives thrown before curse words. Also, if he is relatively smart but the detail is just in the citation links in the feuds and controversies section of the article, you need to emphasize more on exactly how smart he is. If some music magazine calls him the "wisest man in rock" that doesnt define him otherwise we'd be putting "the greatest progressive rock band" in front of the King Crimson article because Rolling Stone said it or something. First of all, I'm deleting that. Second of all, a REAL Oasis fan should clean up this article and if he wishes to make Noel sound like a smart and outspoken person, put REAL examples and delete all the bullshit.--74.134.12.230 06:19, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

You admit you know little about him so that pretty much renders your opinion on how "smart" he is utterly obsolete and randomly deleting chunks of text on tenuous grounds won't get you far at all.--Crestville 13:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I noticed you read maybe the first three sentences of what I said and went ahead and put back what I had (in reasonable detail) got rid of. The part of him being the "wisest man in rock" should be deleted unless you actually provide feasible detail IN THE ARTICLE on why he is wise and outspoken. Tell me please, how this makes his opinions wise and outspoken.

  • Says Damon Albarn and Blur can "catch AIDS and die"
  • He later says ""I've got a lot of respect for Damon, I really do mean it. Because I'm indifferent to Damon he thinks that I think he's a cunt. Our Liam will talk to him, I won't because he's just another singer in a band to me, but I don't think he's a cunt. Good luck to him!""
  • He changed lyrics so they were offensive to both his brother and Americans
  • He called a singer of a band "fat" and then his brother decided he wanted to fight the singer
  • His arguments against Phil Collins consist of "'People fucking hate cunts like Phil Collins, and if they don't — they fucking should' and 'Why did he sell so many records in the '80s? I mean, fucking hell', as well as 'Phil Collins sells a lot of records but he makes shit albums'
  • His view against George Micheal seems to be the closest thing to outspoken he's said (in the article) "He's… trying to make social comment, this is the guy who hid who he actually was from the public for twenty years, now, all of a sudden, he's got something to say about the way of the world. I find it laughable. That's even before you get to the song, which is diabolical."
  • His feud against pop music, Elton John, anything, consists of him basically saying in laymens terms "This sucks" instead of offering reason.
  • His political views were given under the influence of cocaine
  • His Live 8 view was actually outspoken, but that makes 2 when several other artists are more outspoken against music, politics, etc.

So when you indeed respond to me on how this article is, read every fucking thing I said instead of just reading 3 lines and setting yourself off. This article is in major need of cleanup and if you want to make him sound outspoken, I suggest you put rational examples instead of him just cussing off. --74.134.12.230 18:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

This isn't wikiquote. We have two citations, which is proof enough.--Crestville 17:20, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Its false advertising even using two citations when theres actually nothing wise about him contained in the article, if you want that title to be used then put some actual refutable evidence in the article that isnt from citations. Do you realize how many times music magazines have called bands things that arent contained in their respective articles? Why should Noel Gallagher be any different? If you wont clean up the article I'll put a notice for someone to because the given evidence has no relevance to him having wise outspoken opinions. --74.134.12.230 18:53, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Where is it claimed that the quotes at the bottom of the article are in any way`related to Gallagher's position of an erudite speaker and musical commentator? They're about his feuds with other musicians. It's clearly stated. Are you perhaps suggesting that the article should read something along the lines of "...described as the wisest man in rock, for example, this is what he thinks of The White Album..."? It's unecessary and destructive. Again, I would direct you to wikiquote as you seem a but lost as to what we're trying to do here. And, though wisdom is quite subjective, you seem completely ignorant of what is meant by "outspoken". Saying you want someone to die of aids, while not necessarily wise, is the very definition of outspokeness. --Crestville 01:03, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
yeah then who is the wisest man in rock? (its Noel btw) LiAm McShAnE 20:48, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Is it me?--Crestville 11:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
no, sorry, its 50 Cent according to NME now

Curse that crafty devil!--Crestville 13:20, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

The fuck does "bloke" mean?

It's British slang for a man, paticularly a manly man. "He's a good bloke", "Look at that bloke", etc. Why do you ask?--Crestville 17:42, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Some british kid called me it and said it was a british insult....I really feel insulted

Well, it's not an insult at all so he was either an idiot or he was taking the piss out of you. Either way, I wouldn't worry about it. Just call him a "twat".--Crestville 21:48, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Why even argue about it? It says 'leading the NME to dub him as the wisest man in rock' (or something pretty similiar), not 'Gallagher is the wisest man in rock'. What ever fucker thinks he isn't shold go have a word with the New Musical Express, not wikipedia 172.143.102.145 15:52, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like we got a Blur fan on our hands! 75.153.90.130 (talk) 09:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Gallagher vs Yorke

Hi, I just wanted to clarify the "feud" between Thom Yorke and Noel Gallagher that is alluded to in this article. While Noel's comments about Thom, and Thom's response are both accounted for, I don't think this is adequately cited:

When Thom Yorke had been asked earlier about Oasis, he said disrespectfully of the band, "They're a joke aren't they? It's just lots of middle class people applauding a bunch of guys who act stupid and write really primitive music. Then people say 'oh it's so honest'".

While Thom indeed probably did say this, the citation listed just goes to a fansite that has a collection of Yorke quotes. This website doesn't say when Thom said this about Oasis, or in what context or publication. Judging by the date of some of the other quotes on the page, this was a number of years ago, and not really relevant to the exchange alluded to in this entry about Noel Gallagher. It does say "when asked earlier about Oasis", but I think if that quote by Thom about "middle class people applauding a bunch of guys who act stupid" is to be included in this entry, the original source of that quote should be found so it's clear when and why Thom said that, otherwise it's misleading. Just a thought...

it seems on your pages you have written that noel and liam gallagher are english where in fact they are irish. they have said it plenty of times and nationality does not depend on where you are born. Paddy 54321 21:05, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Personal life

It seems worth noting that Noel was raised Roman Catholic and is still deeply interested in it [1] [2] [3]. 24.32.208.58 (talk) 02:11, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA on hold

  • Make sure all the free images in the article are on Commons...well, this isn't necessary, but putting them on Commons allows other Wikimedia projects to use them, which is nice. :) If you need help transferring there, you can ask me; commons:User:Giggy (also an admin if you need help in that regard).
  • General practice is to either cite nothing, or everything, in the lead. Not a mixture of the two; so if you'll cite the NME quote, you'll need to cite everything else. And if the NME quote isn't mentioned elsewhere in the article it probably doesn't belong in the lead anyway; WP:LEAD and all that.
  • "Noel Gallagher has become noted for his" - just refer to him by his surname
  • In ref 1, NME should be in italics and wikilinked. Any more info (author/URL/etc) would be good
  • There is some confusion in the early life sentence when you refer to him as either Noel or Gallagher. I'd suggest that, as this section talks about his brothers a good deal throughout, it's probably best to refer to him as Noel for its entirety (this also creates consistency, which is good)
  • In ref 7, if you aren't sure about it being produced(?) in the UK, just don't say anything for that. Also, this is the same as ref 15 (and the bold on that should be removed)
  • Ref 9; The Guardian should be in italics, and is there any author info?
  • "he auditioned to be the new vocalist" - and was he successful?
  • "with a local band called Oasis" - you can wlink it here
  • Does ref 12 cover the entire first para of the "Joining Oasis" section?
    • And if yes, does it include the ""Let me write your songs and I'll take you to superstardom, or else you'll rot here in Manchester"" quote?
  • "Gallagher attended one of their concerts at Manchester's Boardwalk, finding himself unimpressed by the group's act." - doesn't sound right to me. How about "Gallaghe attended one of their concnerts at Manchester's Boardwalk, but was unimpressed by the group's act."
  • "despite Gallagher's claims that he wrote it in "the time it takes to play the song."" - I would personally argue that it's possible to improv a song good enough to reach #31, so you'll need to have a source making such a distinction. Better yet, just seperate the sentences and get rid of the "despite"
  • I usually have no problem with including dates in such articles, but some (see here for instance) say this isn't really biography (not taking a swipe at them, it's just an example). Basically, you're free to do what you like, but you should be consistent throughout. If you give the release date of "Supersonic", you should do the same for Definitely Maybe
  • "and was a critical and commercial success" - no need to wlink critic
  • Ref 16 needs publisher info etc.
  • http://www.metacritic.com/search/process?sort=relevance&termType=all&ts=Oasis&ty=2&x=0&y=0 may be useful for citing statements like "it was a critical success", although there's nothing there to cite this statement for their first album.
  • "The conditions were poor, he felt the American audience — still preoccupied with grunge and metal — did not understand the band. (Liam summed up his view of the problem saying, "Americans want grungy people, stabbing themselves in the head on stage. They get a bright bunch like us, with deodorant on, they don't get it."[17])" - A few things. 1) You need an "and" before the "he felt". 2) You don't need the statement in brackets; just make it another sentence. 3) Is there a source for Noel's opinion as opposed to Liam's?
  • "on the Billboard Top 200 chart." - Billboard should be in italics
  • Considering reaching #4 on Billboard, "Morning Glory even propelled the band to temporary success in the United States." is self evident and unnecessary
  • "He subsequently apologised[22]" - you need some sort of punctuation under the ref; perhaps move it to the end of the sentence
  • "but in a 1997 interview Gallagher maintained "I've got nothing against him... I just think his 'bird' (Justine Frischmann) is ugly."" - needs ref
  • "by the magazine NME and members" - you've wlinked NME previously, no need to do it again
  • Ref 24 needs work...
    • Same with 25
  • "despite the fact he can neither drive, nor swim." - seriously? Needs source
  • "1995 also saw Gallagher join his idols..." - this to the rest of the paragraph is unsourced
  • "Gallagher claims he had intended to finish work..." - who? Which Gallagher?
  • "The perception of Gallagher as someone now mixing with politicians — and, in particular, a famous photograph of him sipping champagne with Blair — conflicted with the "working class hero" status championed through songs such as "Up in the Sky"." - I can smell OR...or something.
  • Para 2 of the "Post-Britpop years" section is the first time you mention the other band members (if I recall), so you might want to use their full names
  • "1999 also saw the end of Creation Records as Mcgee..." - Paragraph unsourced, and McGee has as capital G
  • Ref 31 needs work
  • "The set list included acoustic Oasis songs such as "Married With Children",..."Wonderwall" similar to the Ryan Adams cover of the song." - Most of the songs in this area have been previously wlinked
  • Ref 36; publisher is just NME
  • Be consistent with italics for NME (etc.) in refs. Eg. ref 38
  • The "Personal life" section should be independant (==L2 header==) of the biography, IMO
  • First para of Personal life section unsourced
  • "Though naturally left-handed, Gallagher plays guitar right-handed, which he claims is the only thing he can do with his weak hand" - This is a paragraph...yeah, merge it with another, or something
    • Same with the next "paragraph"
  • "The latter two albums have been greeted with increasing critical and commercial success, particularly Don't Believe the Truth." - needs ref (Metacritic; linked above, may help)
  • "and son of Ringo Starr the former Beatle drummer." - reword to "and son for former The Beatles drummer Ringo Starr"
  • Sure, you've discussed this before, but if you want to have the "Damon Albarn and Blur" section you'll need to fully cite it again
  • "In a 2007 NME" - NME in italics
  • "Liam Gallagher" section unsourced
  • "Oasis' forthcoming album ...Shoulder of Giants" - why the "..."?
  • Ref 49; any more publication etc. info would be good
  • "I'm not interested."[51]" - the ref shows up in italics here....and it could do with more formatting
  • Refs 53 and 54 seem to have the wrong publisher info
  • "When George Michael released the politically-charged..." - unsourced
  • "manufactured pop" acts" - rmv the quotation marks. That paragraph also needs a source for every quote
  • Ref 57 needs publisher
  • "When Beatle George Harrison accused " - you don't need to wlink Beatle
  • Politics section needs more sourcing
    • same with the "Live 8" one
  • In the "Guest appearances" sectoin, why is that stuff in bold?

Leave a note on my talk page when done. Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 07:35, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

And passed. I'll try and get the images done at some stage myself. Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 08:09, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Controversy, feuds and opinions" section

This section needs to be drastically cut. Not only do some of the sections contain information made redundant by the Biography section (Liam Gallagher, Blur), but some of the other sections probably aren't all that notable. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:36, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

"Gallagher is well known"... which one, Liam or Noel?--andreasegde (talk) 14:56, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and removed the parts of that section that proved on first glance to be excessive and non notable - my reasons for doing this are largely in my edit summaries, as these sections were essentially long lists of personal attacks that really don't need to be mentioned in the article. Atlantik (talk) 01:26, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I believe that the Jay-Z controversy needs to stay on this page. Yahoo! had it on their homepage! I think it has relevance to the artist at hand and would be good to include this important current event. User:Rocaboy419

But the problem is that not only does the section seem to be copied from the Yahoo web site, but it also is just what you described - a current event that doesn't seem to have any lasting impact on his career. It's just another personal attack in the long list of those that have already been deemed non notable and deleted. Atlantik (talk) 22:23, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why has the good stuff been removed??

All the stuff about noel feuding with other bands was brilliant, especially the comments on Keane and Phil Collins. Surely that stuff needs to stay, he is a comic genius! Or at least start another article fully concentrating on the outrageous (but mainly true) comments he has made about everyone, like him slagging off bono for trying to save (bore ) the world about Africa. You can add a new section on his attack on JAY Z. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.32.126.12 (talk) 15:09, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Noel's probation

Could anyone povide a reference for this statement?: Gallagher began to teach himself the guitar at the age of thirteen during a period of probation. Thanks. 200.117.223.103 (talk) 20:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

THe reference is in the next section. --Pabletex (talk) 20:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)