Talk:Nochnoy Dozor (pressure group)
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[edit] Categories
the group might very well claim itself antineonazi but categorizing it as such is a violation of NPOV. It's a well known practice of the soviets to claim that everybody who opposes communism is a fascist.
[edit] Cites
Should get cites on claims of neo-Stalinism (that said, I'm unfamiliar with this term. Stalinism continues and is not "neo"). --Daniel C. Boyer 18:47, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Well, it's 'neo' in the sense that it's a new wave after the original one got suppressed in the Khrushchev's anti-Stalinisation campaign. Digwuren 07:26, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Name
I would suggest renaming this as an "advocacy group" since "pressure group" carries negative connotations. Any objections? JoshuaZ 18:03, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- None from me; this would be more NPOV. --Daniel C. Boyer 18:31, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Changed it back to "pressure group" due to the extremist nature of the organization. Sorry, but advocacy group does not use vandalism, while this group has. Calling them terrorists would be biased, but a pressure group is just neutral enough.
Superjuhan 1:13 30 April 2007
- If you can find a reliable source that calls it a pressure group then we can put it that way. However, it isn't neutral by itself, and simply using vandalism(which incidentally is a claim that would also need a source) is not sufficient. JoshuaZ 22:15, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
There you go: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2115.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.131.28.103 (talk) 21:02, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
It may be of interest that in European politics, pressure group is the standard characterisation of any single-issue political group. For example, the Estonian Green Party, the forced renters, and even university professors taken as a whole, are commonly referred to as pressure groups in Estonian political discourse. Estonian lecture notes of the topic ([1]) declare 'pressure group' a special form of interest group; specifically, an interest group that has not yet managed to become a regular part of the common political process. Digwuren 13:28, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Calling the group terrorists is inappropriate, as they have not made any threats of terror. Rather, their modus operandi is generating spin for tabloids to take up. Digwuren 13:30, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Early history - source
- Notšnoi Dozor (Estonian) by Viktoria Ladõnskaja from May 2006.DLX 18:07, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] POV
artificial contoversy, disinformation. wtf? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.21.18.97 (talk) 04:23, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
- Please consider taking an account. Now all we know about you is you do not live in Russia (actually, you may not even have wanted us to know where you live...). Of course you have a valid point: this article is not encyclopaedic. The worst POV thing you missed however: "Interestingly, these statements are often rapidly taken up by ..." At Rein Lang they were actually told by an administrator that this use of "Interestingly" is POV. --Paul Pieniezny (talk) 22:08, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
