Talk:Noble grapes

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These definitions are only good for french wines, here in Italy these grapes are seldom used (and usually to do experimental blendings like the "super tuscans") so a grape like Nebbiolo that is used to make a great wine like Barolo should not be a noble grape? A grape like barbera which has a long (hundreds of years) tradition in the north west of Italy Asti and is used to "cut" various californian wines shouldn't be a noble grape?

The role of Wikipedia is to be descriptive, not prescriptive, and that, like it or not, is the definition of the term. Fortunately, it's a term that's dying out. Haikupoet 04:55, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Any sources out there?

Please double check which grapes are the noble grapes. "Early in the eighteenth century there were six noble grapes of Bordeaux: Cabernet Sauvignon, Cabernet Franc, Carmenère, Merlot, Malbec and Petit Verdot." This is what I learned. I do not have a good source. This one is from a winery website. While many people like different grapes, and there are many great grapes from other places, these are the ones with the name "noble grapes" because they came out of France. Thanks. 71.132.140.235 (talk) 04:51, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

The term does seem antiquated and POV. Does anyone have any good sources to plug into the article and give it some life? The only one that can close was an advertising "article" that doesn't really pass WP:RS. Without any sources, it seems like a candidate for AfD. Agne 00:20, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Any discussion of "noble varieties" is bound to stir up controversy, and the list provided is as contentious for what it includes, as for what it omits. Few would argue with Cabernet Sauvignon, Pinot Noir, Chardonnay or Riesling, but Sauvignon Blanc (does it make any great wines?), Chenin Blanc (maybe 1% of world production is great) and Merlot (pretty ordinary outside of a few regions) are doubtful inclusions.

Add to this the claims of Nebbiolo, Sangiovese, Tempranillo, Touriga Nacional, Semillion and Viognier (and probably many more), and you have a meaningless term which has little to add to any debate about grape varieties. --MB63 12:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Syrah

As far as I've seen, definitions not tied to a specific region would normally include Syrah as a noble grape, while not necessarily include M*rl*t! But it's a difficult subject to keep POV-free... Tomas e (talk) 18:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Carménère a noble grape?

Please see the discussion on Talk:Carménère where it is claimed that carménère is one of the 6 noble grapes. 86.14.229.187 (talk) 22:31, 20 February 2008 (UTC)