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Contents 1 Other protagonists in other games 2 Movie lisence? 3 Helter Skelter 4 Travis 5 Plot section 6 Image 7 concept and gameplay vs trailers 8 This should be a disambiguation page or the Stranglers album 9 Heroes

[edit] Other protagonists in other games

What is the point of this section?

[edit] Movie lisence?

I heard somewhere that this game was based, perhaps loosely, on the film Ichi the Killer. It may have just been a rumour though. Any one hear of this? Clockwork Apricot 19:32, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I haven't heard anything about it, but since Ichi the Killer is a violent yakuza film, and this game is going to be less violent than Killer 7, and supposidly about superheroes, I doubt it. JQF 23:04, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Uh, "supposed about hitmen," you mean. (Momus 21:06, 22 July 2006 (UTC))

The game won't be less violent than Killer7, it'll be more violent than Manhunt 2 as SUDA 51 has stated in interviews. R-Tiztik 13:51, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Helter Skelter

Why is he announced as a character if he just ends up getting his head cut off in the trailer? Lordofchaosiori 23:57, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

He's SUDA "motherfucker" 51. He can do what he wants. Dan Smith died at least 3 times in the Killer 7 story, so I don't see why

this guy couldn't get up after being decapitated once. 66.17.119.227 02:52, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

In the newer, slightly changed trailer, Helter Skelter's head stays attached to his body.82.10.188.195 22:24, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Travis

Would Travis Touchdown be the same Travis from killer7? Kirbysuperstar 13:55, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

That would be interesting, but we can only speculate at this point. NighTrekr 08:48, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

He's got a different last name, so I'm assuming no.128.226.230.89 03:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

The two Travis's don't even look alike either. If Travis Touchdown was based on Travis from Killer7 before he was killed by Harman Smith and turned to a remnant psyche, then maybe. But Travis Bell was murdered by Harman in 1969 which would set the technology and ethics of the game too far back for what we've seen so far, although SUDA 51 could do it if that's what he intended. But all of this probably isn't the case because the game isn't a sequel or spin-off of Killer7, the two characters don't resemble each other, and they don't have the same names (Killer7: Travis Bell, No More Heroes: Travis Touchdown). R-Tiztik 14:05, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plot section

The current plot section is pure speculation, so I've removed it. NighTrekr 08:50, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Can you justify the greastest game in this generation bit? I havent heard of this game until a week ago.

It wasn't encyclopedic so I removed it. NighTrekr 10:07, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image

I appreciate that someone took the time to crop the current image from the trailer (and whoever did that did a great job), but Helter Skelter apparently bites it very early on in the game. Wouldn't an image of Travis be more appropriate? NighTrekr 19:02, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] concept and gameplay vs trailers

both sections cover similar material, it could be considered redundant. should trailers be edited down or eliminated and integrated into c&g, since the info is basically coming from the trailers? Tehw1k1 16:32, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This should be a disambiguation page or the Stranglers album

There was no good reason to move the Stranglers album away from its original location. The Strangler's album is a historically significant album that has stood the test of time. This is a unreleased computer game. The original page was moved without any discussion on that page which is against Wikipedia policy. If anything there should be a disambiguation page. 221.133.86.108 09:46, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Looking at the very first entry to the page I see that the original Strangler's Album was simply moved to make way for this page.

You do not simply move an established page to make way for something that interests you (i.e. your POV) without considering Wikipedia policy

The Stranglers album has been on Wikipedia for years and it is against Wikipedia policy to move established articles without warning or discussion. I will reverting back to the original unless someone can give me a good reason that the Stranglers album was moved in the first place contrary to Wikipedia policy in the next few days. (And the 'most people expect the game' is no reason at all unless you have some kind of evidence as well as being most likely untrue.) An unpublished game does not displace a significant album that's been around for 30 years.

Macgruder 06:17, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Wow you guys come on way too strong. It's not like the album was moved to make way for any video game. This game is highly anticipated among SUDA 51's always incredible works. Following the game's release I can assure everyone that we'll be looking at two historically significant works titled No More Heroes (I don't have to assure nobody, after all, when has SUDA 51 fucked up?). But I can respect the fact that you are basically right. The game hasn't been released so there's no physical proof that it is significant enough to receive the main article title (sans the (video game) placeholder) or that it will be significant at all. It probably will be, like most of SUDA 51's other works, but there's no physically existing evidence as of yet, whereas the significance of the Strangler's No More Heroes record has been known for years, decades. Anyways, I'm going to move this page to No More Heroes (video game) and create a disambiguation page, and we'll see how that works out. R-Tiztik 07:31, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou for your reply.

NPOV is a non-negotiable rule on Wikipedia.

'SUDA 51's always incredible works' --> POV

'It's not like the album was moved to make way for any video game'--> POV

'we'll be looking at two historically significant works titled No More Heroes'-->POV

No More Heroes (the album) is already historically significant, and it already existed on the page. You should move it back to how it was because Wikipedia policy states that a page should basically not be moved because you break previous links etc. Years of links to the album from outside Wikipedia now lead to the wrong page. So the original move shouldn't have happened.

If in 2 - 5 years or so, No More Heroes (the game) is historically significant/extremely popular we can perhaps look at the question again and decide on whether we need a disambiguation page.

Wikipedia policy is not there for just any reason - it exists and has been formulated by hundreds of users so that Wikipedia works the best for everyone.

It's not about 'coming on strong'. It's about keeping Wikipedia the best it can be, and breaking policy because something to you is 'incredible' or 'will assuredly be significant' etc unfortunately is not a reason to change things.

Cheers Macgruder 10:06, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Well I didn't move the article to the main No More Heroes heading if that's what you think; not too sure there. But yeah I suppose many of my points were point-of-view statements, but with what SUDA 51 has presented the world in his video game over the years, this is what we can reasonably assume. But regardless of unsourced and therefore speculative point-of-views, it is true that evidence of the album's significance is common knowledge (to those aware of it). Anyways last night I made the page moves and disambiguations I alluded to in my previous post and we'll see how this works. R-Tiztik 22:27, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm aware you didn't move it as I checked the history. It's better now. Macgruder 15:23, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Heroes

Heroes (video game) redirects to here. I know Heroes was the working title of No More Heroes, but the title is now given to an Ubisoft game based on the TV series. The S (talk) 15:23, 12 December 2007 (UTC)