Talk:No Fly List

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[edit] Does anyone know

Does anyone know if there is a listing of names on the no fly list? According to MSNBC, children under 12 are being stopped for having similar names to those on the no fly list and I don't want to name my child anything that could delay our travels. Nemequ 08:06, 31 January 2006 (UTC): The list is secret, and my MSNBC is right... children under 1 have been stopped.

The article needs to incorporate the notion of due process, basically a lack thereof. --Hooperbloob 07:23, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm about to post a major rewrite, and I've tried to be objective, but I'm not sure I've succeeded. Please add as much info as you can--especially to the successes section. And make use of this talk page--I'll try to keep an eye on it. Nemequ 08:06, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

The old article appeared to reference a July 22, 2004 NYT article by a "Stuart Taylor", with the following extract: "The No-Fly list has caught much more than suspected terrorists along with the 1,800 terrorists the No-Fly list has caught, it has also caught more than 25,000 innocent victims." I can't seem to find anything like that. NYT has some articles by a "Stuart Taylor, Jr.", but none since 1992 [1]. I'm very curious about the 1,800 terrorists number--does anyone have more information??? Nemequ 08:13, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

The section on successes is horribly biased--the source is a blog? Well I'm sure that internet site is highly reputable. We should just remove it until there's some quantifiable/substantial evidence for or against the success.

I'll bet that people with Arabic-sounding names automatically go on the No Fly List. JIP | Talk 10:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge with CAPPS?

There is a lot of material in here about Computer Assisted Passenger Prescreening System which ought to go into the CAPPS article. It's not even clear if the "no-fly list" is different from CAPPS. As far as I can tell, the "no-fly list" is basically the input of data from FBI and CIA into CAPPS, as recommended by the Final Report of the Gore Commission. But it seems that usually people just use "no-fly list" to refer to CAPPS as a whole.

I don't have time to improve the article right now. But if it is still this bad in a few months, I'll try fiddling with it then. -18.252.6.136 21:05, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

  • In doing more research, it appears that some other countries may use this list. So it probably should be kept seperate from the CAPPS article. Vegaswikian 19:43, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] pigeon poop

1800 terroist captured from the no fly list? what are your sources. This is the ONLY listing that states such. This entry is highly inaccurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.118.0.155 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Maher Arar

I think we should add Maher Arar to the "False Positives and Alleged Misuses." Don't mind writing the paragraph myself, but wanted to run it by the community first. He is a Syrian-Canadian who was wrongfully suspected by the RCMP of being a terrorist, and as a result of his being on that list, he was deported to Syria from New York, and was tortured. Ierous 21:28, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Most if not all of the entries have references associated with them ... another addition would be in order if there is sufficient support from references as to the notability of the event. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:09, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yusuf Islam

Yusuf Islam (aka Cat Stevens) got denied aparently. should this go in the list, or is it supposed to just be a skimming? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kaldosh (talk • contribs) 12:35, 6 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] J. Moore

“Not being able to print out boarding passes in advance and having to get to the airport three hours early for every flight is hardly an imposition compared to what Americans are enduring in Iraq. I can force myself to get used to all that extra attention from the guy with the wand whenever I walk through the electronic arches.”[2]

I have not read that post carefully, but what makes you believe Moore has ever been on the No Fly List (which would mean no flying until removed from the list) and only later been “downgraded” to the selectee list? Wikipeditor 02:11, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References

Since little is really know about this list, if someone wishes to add 'facts', they should be cited using reliable sources. If not, the 'facts' should be deleted as unreferenced rumors. Vegaswikian 21:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ACLU lawsuit

Is there a Wiki article about this lawsuit that could be linked to from this article? I don't know what it's called, but if someone knows, insert it into the article. 158.104.165.201 01:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "secret" list

I think that "secret list" should be replaced by "restricted list" or another similar term.

Saying that the list is secret is simply denying its existence, this way, it almost looks like a conspiracy theory. --Sébastien Leblanc (Talk|Mail) 07:42, 6 March 2008 (UTC)