Talk:Nixon (film)

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Contents 1 Plaigarism? 2 Article Re-write in Order 3 "NIXON" vs "JFK" 4 CLEANUP 5 Cast 6 Fair use rationale for Image:Hopkins Nixon 2.jpg 7 Fair use rationale for Image:Hopkins Nixon 1.jpg 8 Fair use rationale for Image:Nixonmovieposter.jpg

[edit] Plaigarism?

The trivia section here seems to be lifted word-for-word from the IMDB trivia section for this movie.

I'm not sure if this is an NPOV issue or some other issue (or if this is an issue at all), but this article feels more like a movie review than an encyclopedia article. It makes subtle comments about the film's quality that, in tone and syntax, feel like a subjective reflection rather than an objective description of the film. Granted, analysis and explanation are needed in an article such as this, but nonetheless, I say it sounds like a movie review, even though it never actually says, "Go watch this movie!" --151.200.240.68 04:12, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I see your point in a few passages, and removed the ones that I think crossed the line a bit. I don't want to alter the article too much because it really is much better than most movie articles in WP (which are either "X was a 1999 movie. It was directed by Y. Cast: [list of the cast copied and pasted from IMDb]" or 20 long paragraphs giving a scene by scene rehash of the entire movie ["and then this happened. And then this happened. But then this other thing happened..."]). I'm going to remove the tag, but if anyone thinks it still needs work feel free to make some changes, or re-insert the tag and mention a few specific problem passages here. -R. fiend 22:39, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Is there going to be anything on this page about how Stone took dramatic license to a near extremem in this film? I mean c'mon after the whole JFK deal I would hope people would think twice about an Oliver Stone film.

Well, the film really doesn't make any concrete statements about the JFK thing. What the whole "Bay of Pigs" thing meant was only addressed as speculation by Haldeman. And Nixon did mention the Bay of Pigs quite a bit in weird contexts, as shown in the movie (you can read it in the tape transcripts). As for the nameless, shady guys Nixon met in Dallas, well, it's implied that they were involved in the assassination, but Stone makes it clear Nixon wanted nothing to do with them. (Nixon was in Dallas right before the assassination, that much is fact). Most of the film is quite accurate, though obviously many of the behind the scenes stuff had to be filled in with dramatic lisense (as is true of all historical dramas) and much was condensed. -R. fiend 15:06, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Article Re-write in Order

I applaud the author of this article from trying to do a Wiki article on a movie that is more than just the bare boned facts. However, there should be some section that points out that many of the people who knew and worked with Nixon, strongly dispute Stone's take on the former President.

According to Henry Kissinger, Nixon never called his wife "Buddy" while he was around and no one else who Kissinger worked with in the White House ever heard him call her that. He never yelled and raved in the WHite House (he was more withdrawn than anything else) and was NOT a drinker, nor did he take pills as depicted in the movie. The movie is also guilty of taking quotes from people and putting them in other people's mouths or putting them into a context they were not originally meant.

The author does allude to the fact that the movie is not meant to be a re-telling of history, but without highlighting the errors of fact and then calling some of the errors accurate, the entire article becomes misleading. I suggest some more research is in order to point out some of the more glaring factual errors in the movie. I am not talking about fictional meetings with conservatives in Texas, or allusions to some plot to murder Kennedy. I'm talking about Stone having Mao tell Nixon, "you are as evil as I am." The reader of this article should know that that line in the movie is a total fabrication by Stone. Ramsquire 19:15, 11 August 2005 (UTC)MAYBE THIS ARTICLE SHOULD BE MERGED WITH THE MOVIE JFK TO CREATE AN OLIVER STONE FILMS INVOLVING CONSPIRACY THERIOES ARTICLE.

I put through some changes regarding the movies allegations of the connections between Nixon and the JFK assassination. I think this is more true to the film, and I think the previous version was missing the subtleties of the connection.

[edit] "NIXON" vs "JFK"

Does anyone know what Stone really thougtht about the Kennedy assasination? In one movie he implicates Nixon and the Cubans, in the other it seems to place it more with LBJ and the Mafia. The CIA seems to get blamed in both, though.

• Who cares what Stone thinks? It's not like he is an authority on anything.

[edit] CLEANUP

See Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Style guidelines. Cbrown1023 17:34, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cast

Does the long cast list even need to be listed in the article? Black Kat 20:36, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Exactly. That's what the IMDB is for. If no one else objects, I'll gladly delete this section as it is really unnecessary. Count Ringworm 19:22, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I did it for you already. I hate it when people think wikipedia is imdb. It's not. -R. fiend 22:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Hopkins Nixon 2.jpg

Image:Hopkins Nixon 2.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Hopkins Nixon 1.jpg

Image:Hopkins Nixon 1.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Nixonmovieposter.jpg

Image:Nixonmovieposter.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)