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[edit] nationhood
What about the Vatican? Isn't it self-governing? The Vatican has about 800 inhabitants (see List of countries by population) --zeno 07:53 Feb 6, 2003 (UTC)
Niue doesn't have UN membership, it doesn't have diplomatic relations with most of the world, they don't have their own currency or military... I think it is officially considered a territory of New Zealand rather than an independent state by much of the world. I think of it as an independent state, but it's certainly arguable. Perhaps the line about it not being considered its own nation should be re-added with a caveat. --Chowbok The status of Niue is officially known as "self government state in free association with New Zealand, the Cook Islands is also on the same status.sioneholof
- I agree that it should probably be further elaborated, but I'm not shure that the point about military and currency is really relevant. Iceland has no military, and Ecuador uses the American dollar. The most relevant point that I see is its tight connection to New Zealand and not being part of the UN, the first point is mentioned further down in the text and so should perhaps the second, so the new sentence needn't be long. --Dittaeva 10:47, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- I think it's relevant, although I agree with the rest of what you said. Niue is an odd case. It represents itself in international sports that are usually only represented by nations (rather than territories on their own), and does have some standing on its own. Ambivalenthysteria 04:57, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I just corrected the entry on Premier on the point of Niue being a territory or not. There is no doubt that it is dependent on NZ, but any more than the Cook Islands which are also in Free Association? NZ doesn't call it a territory - statements by their ministers I've read suggest they regard it as a nation that is dependent on them. Look to see what was said after the cyclone on Niue. I've never heard a representative of any south pacific nation, Australia or NZ call Niue anything except a soverign nation. Plenty of nations today have limited means and questionable true independence - see Nauru, or the Cook Islands. Robertbrockway 21:40, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- I just noted that Niue no longer is listed in the list of countries by population density page. That might or might not mean that CIA no longer recognizes Niue as a country... Just to fuel the discussion. ;-) himasaram 20:11 11 May 2005 (CET)
- I just checked and the CIA still lists Niue as an independent country. https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ne.html Robertbrockway 18:34, May 11, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Use of .nu top-level domain
It might be worth adding that .nu is one of the ccTLDs, like .tv, that is used by Western businesses to create distinctive domain names. "Nu" means "now" in Dutch and several Scandinavian languages. Imagine if you could register "buy.this.product.now" as a valid domain name!
There was a feauture story in today's (29 March 2005) print version of the Wall Street Journal about this very issue. A very long, detailed and interesting article. Niue is now purportedly the only country in the world whose citizens all have free wireless Internet access Sioneholof 21:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)This is a false claim just to attract international recognition and support, as up to today (23 April 2007) still less than 50 percent of the villages in Niue have WiFi access.
Except hardly any of them have computers... Sioneholof 21:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)I am Niuean (person of Niue descent)and live in Niue, we do have computers, about 80 percent of the labour force works in the govt where they have access to computers, some homes also have computers.
Further Down the Track: Free wireless is only limited to a few hotspots in Niue and not to the whole country. This "Free" status tends to preclude any consumer leverage normally enjoyed in a commercial relationship although technical support is reasonable efficient. There are many who own computers in Niue and I would hazard a guess that it is among the highest computer ownership per capita in the world. Indeed this situation is increasing creating concern that the internet service will deteriorate because the cost of bandwith (free to IUSN to a limit at present) will out-strip .nu domain name sales which are required for the free maintenance of the service on Niue. Mark Cross, 2nd August 2006. 7.30am Niue Time
[edit] About the name
Niue most certainly does not mean "new" in Dutch. The official website [[1]] says the name of the island means: "Behold! The coconut!". Maybe someone with a little more writing skill should add this. iclemens 15:27, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Alofi
Alofi is also the name of an uninhabitated island near (east FUTUNA), a good example of the manner that polynesian travellers had to give to places names of already known places they knew (by going there or legend)... if Haymet rocks would exist at the position you give they would be right south of Rarotonga, very far east of Niue, maybe somebody can give a better position where these rocks were seen (?)
[edit] Demographics of Niue
I suggest that we merge Demographics of Niue into this article as that page has almost no content. MyNameIsNotBob 11:25, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- No objections here. Ambi 23:46, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Niue and radioactivity
Not sure what has happened here. I put in some of the NZ past research on this, but I think it has been deleted. I suggest it is so unique that it is worth a mention. this was not a spoof - I am responsible for at least 3 of the papers on the subject during my career at DSIR. I can give the references if necessary. For the moment I'll hold off, but I would like some response from other members in this forum.
- Dr Neil Whitehead
- It seems that your contribution was a victim of friendly fire when some previous vandalism was reverted. I'll add it back in. If you can add references, that would be great. -- Avenue 11:04, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be confusion over whether there is Uranium on Niue or not in this article. Under "Geography" it says "There is almost no Uranium", whereas under "Economy" it says "... suggested that Niue might have the world's largest deposit of uranium. This was later realised as an insider trading matter at the Australia Stock Exchange.[clarify] It has permission to drill on the island to confirm geological data that suggest the presence of a very large deposit" Please let me know, I'd hate to waste my time...! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.242.134.205 (talk • contribs)
- I hadn't noticed the later mention. It seems to refer to some shady dealings by an Australian mining company. I've expanded that passage, and cited sources where you can find further detail. -- Avenue (talk) 12:29, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] History
Since Cook was rebuffed, there obviously were people on the island before that interaction. Can't some-one add some pre-European history? Kdammers 04:29, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Commonwealth
Is Niue not part of the Comonwealth- with or without New Zealand? (if so and as part of NZ it should be listed on the Commonwealth Countries page) [unsigned comment]
- Niue is not a member in its own right, since it's under New Zealand sovereignty. So it's a part of the Commonwealth through New Zealand. [3] Aridd (talk) 13:11, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Proposed WikiProject
In my ongoing efforts to try to include every country on the planet included in the scope of a WikiProject, I have proposed a new project on Polynesia at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Polynesia whose scope would include Niue. Any interested parties are more than welcome to add their names there, so we can see if there is enough interest to start such a project. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:18, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
The language regarding the spread of Christianity on Niue doesn't seem very encyclopedic. Perhaps someone with a good knowledge of Niuean history could remove some of the overt religious tones from that paragraph and clean up the grammar, as well. 76.171.233.9 09:27, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Name of Niue
Per above, the name Niue means "Behold! A coconut!" (quite possibly the most surprising name I've seen in some time). I think it should be added, but it's not clear from what language it comes, a necessary piece of information if it's to be included on the page. Also see [4] and [5] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kelvinc (talk • contribs) 09:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Niuean Scouting
Can someone render "Be Prepared", the Scout Motto, into Niuean? Thanks! Chris 05:42, 8 August 2007 (UTC) done, thanks!
[edit] Just wondering
Was there never an independence movement on Niue? New Babylon 2 (talk) 20:20, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Independence was one of the options included in the 1974 referendum put foward to the Niue people, the majority chosen self-government in free association with New Zealand, total integration with New Zealand is the other option of the three options. Self-government in free association with New Zealand tend to have many interpretations, at the present New Zealand is using its aid assistance programme to Niue as an instrument to influent and directly involve with the internal affairs of a sovereign nation. Niue is finding it difficult to govern under this type of environment, and feeling disapponited and frustrated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sioneholof (talk • contribs) 20:43, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
- So-you could say some people would prefer independence,in the curent state of things ? New Babylon 2 (talk) 19:46, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
The current state of delivering aid to Niue by New Zealand can be regarded as the modern day colonialism, its legality should be challenged in the International Court of Law. The banner of good government is in fact "bad government" because in some situation like this it tend to impose and dictate values on another country thus ignoring their rights, freedoms and rights to self-determination and judgement whom the "self-government in free association" is based on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sioneholof (talk • contribs) 21:59, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
- Under the terms of the self-government agreement, Niue can declare full indendence unilaterally if it chooses to do so. Free association means exactly that. Niueans voted against independence in 1974 primarily for economic reasons, and because they were worried about losing the right to move freely to New Zealand (as New Zealand citizens, they currently have unrestricted immigration rights in NZ). The general feeling seems to be that they would lose more than they would gain by becoming independent. Similarly, Tokelau is resisting any suggestion of independence from New Zealand. To answer your question, I've never heard of a Niuean independence movement, and I don't think there is one. Rather the reverse; Niue is more keen on remaining an NZ dependency than NZ is on keeping it. Aridd (talk) 13:07, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
