User talk:Nishkid64/Archive 26
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Amantes Article
I don't understand. The Amantes article must be more than 2000 words long, yet it has been written and edited by only yourself with near perfect punctuation and grammar. I would like to think you are a literary genuis but, being a cynical person, I have to second guess that you've copied this from a book. 131.244.3.45 07:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
- I didn't write the article. Miguelemejia (talk · contribs) wrote the article. I only gave the credits to the user at the user's talk page since the article was featured at WP:DYK. Nishkid64 13:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
User:mrholybrain
Hello. I have filed a report of a 3RR violation on the administrators' noticeboard yesterday and have not yet had a response. I also noticed that you have resolved several cases which were made some time after mine. I was wondering if there is any reason why mine has not been taken up. Thank you. 163.167.129.124 09:19, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
E-mail responded.
Good luck with your operation; when will you be having it/did you have it? I hope you get flowers and baked goods from people who know your address. :) · AO Talk 10:52, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Best wishes on a speedy recovery!
Hope all goes well. fethers 13:02, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
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nishkid64 on runescape comunity? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.247.204.151 (talk) 22:29, 28 March 2007 (UTC).
All the Best
You probably have don't know me (I think you've sometimes presented DYKs to me), but I was just wanting to wish you all the best. You always seem to be cheery when you reply, and, in my expierience, when you give out DYK notices. I hope everything goes well for you, and you recover perfectly from your illness. Good luck, ♣ ÅñôñÿMôús Dîššíd3nt 08:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Prayers
Have a speedy recovery. --Bhadani (talk) 14:31, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
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RfA thanks
AMA deletion
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My RfA
Thank you for your support in my recent successful Rfa. And I hope and trust that all goes/has gone well for you in your cardiac surgery.--Anthony.bradbury 14:07, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
NISH
NISH this user will not stop blanking their user page....see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tjsynkral&action=history what is the appropriate action to take? This users edits : http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Tjsynkral also seem of dubious quality. whattyathink? TotallyTempo 19:31, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
François Genoud
Hi, could you nominate this for DYK. Thanks--Navy • Missile 04:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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For your outstanding contributions to this encyclopedia, both the articles, and it's maintenance. This is also a partial complaint for setting such a high standard for the rest of us. :-) Congratulations Nishkid. · AO Talk 20:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC) |
Help!
I'm confused about Rfa, do I scroll down and say things about or what? Trampton 04:04, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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Help with a block
Hello. I am User:AlexCovarrubias. I was blocked but I did not break 3RR. I think it is unfair and I sent you an e-mail, since I can't edit your talkpage. Please review my case, I requested an unblock. I think I have a point, but the user that blocked me seems to be a little too hard. Thx, Alex. (I sent a friend to paste this msg since I'm blocked).
- Nish, this is Alex. About the message above, I have been unblocked. However, I have been told you are recovering from surgery. I don't know what happened to you, but I wish you the best and a fast recovery. Well, I guess I'll see you around when you return. Get well soon! AlexCov ( Let's talk! ) 19:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
30 seconds to mars protection
Thx for placing the protection on 30 seconds to mars. I am new to wiki. I want to know if you placed the protection because of my roll-back and request for protection. I don't see my request listed on the history for this page, so i don't know if I entered the request properly. please advise. thx SteinAlive 01:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- I see on my contributions page that it looks like I requested protection properly. Sorry to bother. Thx again SteinAlive 02:10, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Good luck!
Get well soon! Quadzilla99 16:41, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, Nish, like omfg! Get better soon!!!! Cbrown1023 talk 19:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
- Our thoughts are with you. The very best wishes for a complete and speedy recovery from me and, if I may presume, from all your fellow Wikipedians. Newyorkbrad 22:29, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
- As you go through your ordeal, please keep in mind that you have many well wishers all over the world through Wikipedia, including myself, who look forward to your return with renewed health. -- Jreferee 00:10, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- Gosh! Best wishes! (I wondered what Yomangani meant about the theatre...) -- ALoan (Talk) 00:46, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- Please take care and get well soon!! Have you had the operation yet? Please keep us informed about how you are doing... Again, take care! KatalavenoTC 01:00, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- Good luck man! I wish the best to you. Artaxiad 02:43, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- Hope all goes well! Ripberger 04:44, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
All the best and a speedy recovery Nishkid. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Support all above :-) Hope you come out fine ol' chap, and that this fixes all your heart problems. · AO Talk 22:18, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Best of luck! Tell us when you get back :-) --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91 05:13, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Good luck, and here's hoping to a great recovery.--§hanel 06:31, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, all the very best, best wishes for a speedy recovery... The Rambling Man 06:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Best wishes for a speedy recovery. --After Midnight 0001 06:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, good luck Nishkid, and all the best. Cheers, Daniel Bryant 08:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- Hey Nishkid. All the best. Do get well soon. - Aksi_great (talk) 11:47, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
All the best Nishkid. Hope to see you back, hale-n-hearty, soon! Abecedare 04:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- We all hope for a speedy recovery and a revitalised Wikipedian! GizzaChat © 06:13, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Good luck from sd! 09:52, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- Be courageous - The Lord always protects his idiots.... :)) My full support for you and your family. The only heart problem you should get now is a wound from an arrow of Cupid. Rama's arrow 14:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
All the best with the operation Nishkid. =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:34, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Best of luck with your operation Nish. Hope you get well soon --Agεθ020 (ΔT • ФC) 18:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
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- I wish for all the best, get well soon =). ~ Arjun 03:16, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
- Jeez...wondered why I hadn't seen you round. Please take care to get well soon, and don't work too hard. I will warn the nurses to keep the internet terminals away from you! You can't keep a good editor down, and you are one of the best. Thor Malmjursson 03:20, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Good luck and have a speedy recovery. - NYC JD (interrogatories) 00:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Hi Nishkid, get well soon :) Sarvagnya 02:44, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
- I hope you get well soon! I wish you the best. I'll be praying for you. AlexCov ( Let's talk! ) 16:40, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Newly industrialized country
Nish, give me a hand here please. AlexCov ( Let's talk! ) 16:44, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Respectfully, AlexCovarrubias, could you be patient a day or two? Nishkid has just come home after heart surgery. I should think he will get back to you once he is back in the swing of things. Regards, Thor Malmjursson 19:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
imitator
You were recently imitated: Nishkib64 (talk · contribs). Not sure if this has ever been a problem before, but I figured you might want to know if it had. Natalie 21:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
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Rodney A. Smolla
Would you mind undeleting the article and talk for Rodney A. Smolla? The page was deleted using proposed deletion. Per WP:DRV, any admin can undelete these pages for me without a vote based on a reasonable request. Smolla is the current Dean of the University of Richmond School of Law and will become the Dean at the Washington & Lee School of Law over the summer. Like many of the things this notable academic has done, the press covered this change in jobs. I'd like to make sure this knowledge is documented on Wikipedia, and I'd prefer not to have to start from scratch. Erechtheus 00:07, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- I don't believe your reasons are really convincing. I will restore the article, but after you add the bit about the change, I will send the article to AfD. I think that would be the best place to resolve the situation. Thanks, Nishkid64 00:16, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- I assure you that WP:BIO will be well covered by the time I'm done with this one, but I understand your rationale. I thank you for the assistance. Erechtheus 00:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Please feel free to evaluate and nominate if necessary at this juncture. I have added the promised information along with starting on a proper citation system for the article. I'll be adding more as I locate it, but there should be more than enough to establish notability at this point. Erechtheus 01:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Weclome back
Hey, good to see you've returned. I hope your at-home recovery is swift and that you'll soon be back to helping with the backlogs and heck, even maybe writing the encyclopedia! Heimstern Läufer 16:34, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- By all means welcome back, and best wishes for your continued recovery. (Don't forget to update your status message on this page as you did on your userpage.) Regards, Newyorkbrad 16:40, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- You're back!!! I'm glad you didn't die. :-) Was the operation successful? · AO Talk 18:37, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Brilliant to see you back Nishkid, glad everything went OK Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/talk 18:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Welcome back Nishkid. Very glad to see you out of hospital, and hope to see you back in the swing of editing when you are feeling well enough. Thor Malmjursson 19:56, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Thought I'd add to the discussion, its good to see your back here, I hope you made (and are still) making a speedy recovery from the op. Happy Easter or Passover! Cheers - Tellyaddict 12:33, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- Brilliant to see you back Nishkid, glad everything went OK Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/talk 18:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- You're back!!! I'm glad you didn't die. :-) Was the operation successful? · AO Talk 18:37, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Re: Gurch
Jeez...I could have huggled you a few times if you told me you were Gurch. =( Nishkid64 00:53, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, well a lot of things might have happened if I'd told people I was Gurch, but that would have defeated the point of trying to start again, wouldn't it? – Gurch 09:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Welcome back NishKid!
Heya NishKid! I'm glad to see you're feeling better! *grumbles* everything happens while I'm gone! RyGuy 11:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
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You're back!
Glad that you're back from the hospital after cardiac surgery! I myself had surgery on Monday, in which 5 teeth from inside my gums were removed in addition to my wisdom teeth. At any rate, I'm sure you will need much more time to recover than me, though. If it's not too much trouble, could you take the time to give me a few simulated RfA questions here? ~Steptrip 19:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Cardiac surgery? Sounds major. Just wanted to say Get Well Soon. P.S. -If this message is out of date, pretend it came earlier. --Defender 911 22:33, 10 6 April 2007 (UTC)
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Question
Hello Sir. Do you have any idea what happened with Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Emir Arven?
I know these process usually last for long at take some time, but there haven't been any develops for a month.
Is that normal? Cheers! --PaxEquilibrium 14:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- RfC's can take a while, but it's pretty rare to see an RfC go without any activity for almost a month. However, I'm sure this is due to the fact that Emir Arwen has not edited since March 12, and without his involvement, the RfC cannot proceed. Hope that answers your question. Nishkid64 20:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
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- I am sure that that's his plan; he intends to wait until the RfC is dropped and then "the stream would run out" for another RfC and he would "get away" with it (just like Ratko Mladic is hoping to wait out the ICTY). --PaxEquilibrium 22:02, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Re: Samuel Adams
You're welcome - that's what I meant by "good-article-fied" :P. Anyway, keep up the good work Martinp23 18:12, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Tony the Tiger
Get well soon! Those T the T diffs you quote at RfA seem to be the same one twice. Johnbod 02:13, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Welcome back!
Hi, I left a welcome back message a little while back but you must of missed it so just thought I'd say it again for some reason. Thanks. TellyaddictTalk 16:51, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
DYK
I was about to add an entry to the error report (and you might still fix it before i post this), but the Main page DYK is still flawed: "was himself executed in a few months later after another coup". Maybe take out the "in" (and add a comma after "later"?). Thanks ;) --Quiddity 17:55, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
- Ta :) --Quiddity 17:58, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
My RfA
Okay, I noticed you made the page; thanks for the flattering comments. :) I've sent an e-mail to Arjun; he said he wanted to co-nom, and he's been a good friend for a long while, so I'll wait until he does to accept. · AO Talk 22:39, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
3RR warning
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Short answer: gook is a derogatory term. Long answer: gook. Natalie 21:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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Big Bad Turk
"Such sort of hateful comments are not tolerated on Wikipedia. I dealt with a similar user (Oguz1) just a few weeks ago, who incited the same type of anti-XX comments, but regarding the Turkish involvement in the Armenian Genocide. Nishkid64 18:14, 16 March 2007 (UTC)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Nishkid64/Archive_25
I am just curious. When did I incite hateful comments? Please do tell. And you "dealt with me" and my hate? What kind of condescending and prejudicial attitude is that? Who the hell do you think you are?
I provided 3 counter sources [3], against your one source, to prove and maintain the innocence of a whole town that you accused of murder, yet I got libeled as a "denier" or as "hateful" or as "poisoning the well"!!! You reverted my edits a 1000 times, blocked me over and over again, got other anti-Turks to join in your revert war, and now you are calling me anti-XX hateful person. WHAT!!!!
Damned if I do and damned if I don't. Up is down and the accused is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, without any court in the world even considering the case. Oh ooops, it sounds like I'm trying to reason with you...what am I thinking it never worked before and I got "dealt with".
The truth is, you are the ones making very, very serious allegations about an entire town that you have never been to and know nothing about except for that one obscure passage you found on the internet. And oddly enough, that happens to fit right into a political agenda that's based purely on hate. After 3 months, all you can provide is one biased source that's copied over and over again? Surely you can do better when it's such a known "fact", right?
So, I guess I should just shut up, apologize for something that never ever has been proven in any court of law - EVER - and then I can finally be a good person. I'm sorry, where are my morals? Let's see, I'm 37 years old, have studied this subject for over 20 years, been to 3 colleges, served in the army and navy of 2 nations and NATO on 3 continents, got an IQ over 140 which is enough for me, traveled half the world and all of US, lived and worked in D.C. politics for 30 years, lived in the town in question, lived in more towns and cities then most have been to, worked very hard all my life and did everything with my own money and sweat, lost many great friends along the way, been there - done that, and I still haven't learned shit about morality, facts, honesty, or academia, or anything else for that matter.
Until of course, I came here to meet you unemployed 15-25 year olds who have nothing better to do all day then to play with Wikipedia and jerk each other off with meaningless awards. What the fuck was I thinking? So, I am now more eloquent like your respectable Khoikhoi (a.k.a. Hottentot, etc) and talk like this [4].
Or perhaps I should be more like your beloved Nareklm, or Artaxaid or whatever else his name was, who says "fuck the system" on his personal page, and who just got booted for a year for having a dozen sockpuppets and spamming WP, and who knows what else [5]. Weren't you accusing me of the same thing, and weren't you wrong about that? Didn't you say to me condescendingly again, "hey genius, Artaxiad had a name change" when I complained about that very thing? Weren't you wrong about the BBC link that he originally gave was suppose to prove something? And didn't you give Artaxaid awards and kudos for providing the other biased link here [6]) while chastising me?
You don't know me, you know nothing about me, so where the hell do you get off calling me anti-this or that of hateful? I am extremely pissed off, yes, but not hateful - learn the difference.
I deserve an apology but you know what, it's meaningless. You never apologized for unjustly blocking Finduk anyway or anything else I mentioned above. The fact that even US public schools say WP is disreputable, is enough for me. And having attended a few of them, I can safely say that their standards are not the highest and that alone says how much WP sucks. Be proud though, you helped write it. So, I really cannot take your comments about me seriously. And I cannot take you seriously at all, as much as I wish I could because I'm wasting my time writing this (damn! :).
However, I really do care to see where I made anti-XX comments about anyone. And if I did say such things - which to me is as serious as being called a "genocidal maniac who hates people and denies it" (which is what you are calling me) - let me please please apologize ahead of time from the bottom of my heart to anyone who I may have offended ethnically. But, I know I have never made such comment. Although, I did make one comment about Armenians here: [7] I'll translate:
"Armenians in general are good, but it's those who have never ever been to Turkey, the uneducated, greedy and ignorant diaspora ones that are trying to create chaos. They don't even know how much damage they are causing."
I really do hope you feel better. Now, somebody unlock me - it's been over 2 weeks. Actually never mind, don't unlock me, seems making new accounts and doing revert wars is the best on WP. Why the hell did I waste all that time researching - stupid me. --152.216.11.5 18:47, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Neustriano
THANK YOU! I was hopinf an admin would see him harassing other users on their talk pages while deleting his own warnings.
Hey while I have you, can you slide on over here and give an indef block?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Blablablalbalbalb read his contributions CINEGroup 21:43, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
And see here [8] foir all his vandalism... CINEGroup 21:44, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
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- I was about to block the user for the username violation and the vandalism-only-account, but it appears another administrator Luna Santin (talk · contribs) already blocked the user half an hour ago. Thanks, Nishkid64 21:52, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
she never marked it as being blocked, it still looks exactly same, no warnings even from her. CINEGroup 21:54, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
heres one
good grab this one as well
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tpride90
he's another blahblahblah CINEGroup 21:53, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
- I blocked Tpride90 indefinitely. Also, Luna Santin is a guy, and he doesn't always put in block messages on user talk pages. Just check out the block log for future reference. Thanks, Nishkid64 21:57, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
i dont know much about the articles only the photography ones which im going to edit soon, it just seems vandals pop up constantly. Will let you know asap when I see them. CINEGroup 21:57, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
go through all my contributions, youll see about 15 pages created with pure spam, maybe speedy delete them, i tagged them but theyre still there and a few have been for a few hours. Its only 3 or 4 people constantly making new pages over and over. CINEGroup 21:59, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
ASAP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:LOLzzOnYourBeanbag
CINEGroup 22:46, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
DYK
The DYK Medal | ||
For Nishkid64, an overdue award. Thank you for your work publishing Wikipedia's newest articles. -Susanlesch 23:11, 17 April 2007 (UTC) |
couple for you:
List of credits, ZIP (Television Pilot)
I'm pretty sure this falls under What Wikipedia is not, a Cyrstal Ball as many edits i have seen are removals of Pilots from actors pages.
Next one is:
RM speedy delete now twice
See here: [11]
Proper warnings here:
This is getting easier and easier... CINEGroup 23:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Block
Since it seems that block wasn't justified, do you think it will still hurt me? I was planning on trying to become an admin in June, but this cold hurt my chances even more. TJ Spyke 20:59, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Brian0918 (talk · contribs) 3RR
That was an interesting resolution. He claims ignorance of 3RR, but I notified him twice of the intent of 3RR, he acknowleged, and no less than seven editors engaged him on talk and disagreed with his edits. He persisted in spite of me alerting him twice and seven editors dialoguing, in disagreement, with him. This was blatant, acknowledged, disruptive edit warring, now sanctioned. Considering recent discussion on WP:AN about the reverts on global warming and intelligent design, there is an alarming trend in evidence here. I registered my comments on the 3RR page.[13] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, I didn't really believe Brian when he said he didn't know of existing WP:3RR policy. I assumed good faith and went to his talk page, but I dropped the matter afterwards when Raul (who was involved) dealt with the 3RR report. I was considering a block against Brian, but the whole pleading ignorance thing threw me off. Nishkid64 13:05, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
My RfA
Posted the following on my talk page (because more than one person is involved in the discussion):
"Perhaps he'll have more time during the weekend; I'll wait 'til Saturday for him, and then accept." · AO Talk 15:00, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Ordu sources
The new "other sources" that are mentioned here [14] are not new or "other sources", they are the same thing. The last three are not even a valid sources (a blog, an interview, and the last taken out of context) . Please read them carefully or see below.
- Source 4 is a book compilation which contains - verbatim - a passage from a Dardian book. It is indeed just a compilation of books, each chapter being from a different author. (I discussed this extensively already)
- Source 6 is a magazine interview with Dardian, who says the same thing which was already quoted in Source 4, verbatim.
- Source 7, is a blog (armenianaffaris.blogspot.com) that also includes the same passage from Dadrian, verbatim, which was already used as a source. This is not a valid source per Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published_sources_.28online_and_paper.29
- Source 5 [15], is about Giresun, not Ordu, this is completely out of context. The author only mentions Ordu as a geographical reference to Giresun, and I quote, "... and Gherasun was clean of them (Armenians)" (page 280): Here's the quote: "We went to Trrebizond...and before Trebizond sits, Treblus; and before Treblus, Gherasun; and before Gherasun, Ordu;..." (page 280, same paragraph but not the same sentence)
I trust you will correct these errors. If you are in doubt of my research, you can read them yourself and compare.
Also these may violate, Verifiability#Sources_of_dubious_reliability and Wikipedia:Verifiability#Burden_of_evidence--Oguz1 18:03, 19 April 2007 (UTC)