User talk:Nis Randers

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Dear visitor, I am mainly active on the German Wikipedia.
Please feel free to contact me on my discussion page (do not hesitate to ask in English).
Yours, --Nis Randers 08:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TREC ^2

Hi Athaenara, thank you for your work in this article, but nevertheless I fear that you have been going a bit too far within the process of reworking it. First some bits about myself to see that I am not a reincarnation of any of those IPs that tried to disturb the work recently: I am mainly active on the German WP, focused on articles on business/economics to the largest proportion of my work in WP and one of the regular contributors to the German equivalent of the Portal:Business and economics (you can find my account easily, same name as in en:, but quite a bit more edits). For some reason, I recently started a small project to get the most important people from the IPCC into WP, so that I began to look around in this context a bit. This category's articles have been started by myself entirely, so I have some of the people active in this area on my watchlist, like this one, where the TREC-issue came up some time ago. As I'm awfully busy at the moment, it took a while to get me through the German article and then through the Englisch equivalent, but right now I feel rather confident that I understood most part of the concept (by the way: except for one fixed link, I did not make edits to the German TREC-article). Reading the discussion page in en:, I see that some of your comments seem justified, but as a general issue, the article as of today does not describe the issue adequately. The reader is driven through a vast number of references and quoted links that he cannot make sense of, but it seems like the rework somehow removed the answer to the very basic questions like "what (... is this all about)?" and "how (... does this whole thing work)?". There might also be an issue regarding "related sources" - I see that you have worked on that as well, but (although this seems to be the right solution in a first approach) there might be a certain misunderstanding with respect to the "DLR"-studies. This institute (unfortunately the en:-article German Aerospace Center) is rather short) is part of the Helmholtz-Gemeinschaft - which most of the Germans familiar with these institutions would refer to as "gold standard of German scientific community", so it might be a bit too easy too deal with the studies as if they were of no value.

In order to get this thing going again, I would ask you to come back to this article again and go for another session of rework. I will ask Benderson/Michael Straub as well, and I hope that I can help a bit by cooling down both parties as a moderator. I am rather sure that a solution is reachable that the en:-WP can only benefit from: Benderson has all the knowledge that comes from the project, and you obviously are working hard to improve Wikipedia. So the most logical approach seems that he introduces the issues that are missing currently (and that create this strange feeling within the reader), and that you contribute your knowledge to convert his aspects into NPOV and discuss with him how to make ends meet without getting closer to the well-known "soapbox".

I would be glad if you could give some answer, thanks a lot in advance, --Nis Randers 21:35, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

↑ I forwarded the message above, which was posted on my talk page. — Athaenara ✉ 04:01, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

To Nis Randers: I will ignore the subtle insinuation that I dealt with the DLR studies, which certainly merit inclusion in the DLR article, ‘as if they were of no value.’

An encyclopedia article about the TREC Development Group or any other organization is meant to include appropriate content about it without serving as a platform for it. You do see that distinction.

My particular interests, which are varied, include WP:NPOV and WP:NOT policies. I suggest that you post your concerns about your particular interests, which seem to include:

not on my user talk page but on appropriate article talk pages and noticeboards, perhaps including WP:COIN#Benderson2 and TREC. Thank you. — Athaenara ✉ 04:01, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for being highly cooperative. You might find the right addressee for such elaborate comments in places like Kindergarten, but I seriously doubt that it is acceptable in an environment that is determined to (1) create an encyclopedia with (2) the help of a worldwide community.
Your comment was not appreciated. Not at all. --Nis Randers 22:34, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TREC

Hello Nis Randers. Thanks for your offer to help with this article. You're welcome to join in the discussion at Talk:Trans-Mediterranean Renewable Energy Cooperation where I have just raised a question as to whether the unreferenced statements can be removed. Naturally, if you have citations, you can certainly them. EdJohnston 22:45, 28 September 2007 (UTC)