Talk:Nissan Silvia
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"The Silvia or S-chassis series of cars" this dosen't sound right. Silvia isin't the total name for the S-Chassis. it's just the Japanse Market Name.
I think that probably the first thing this article should say is that "silvia" is the Japanese Market Variant of the Nissan S-Chassis. I don't think calling the US market 240SX "the american version of the silvia" is correct either. I think the "240SX" should be called the US Market Variant of the Nissan S Chassis...
also the S13 and S14 "Silvia" page shouldn't go into detail about the KA24DE engines in the US market 240SX, that's what the 240SX page is for...
[edit] Talk History from Nissan 200SX prior to consolidation
Link or expansion needed for RWD, and the article needs Date context. Are we talking 2004 or 199f or 1984? --Tagishsimon 13:56, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I think the information on Nissan 200SX should be moved to Nissan Silvia. Nissan 200SX, Nissan 180SX, Nissan Gazelle and all other naming variants should redirect to Nissan Silvia.
The information is much too confusing right now. eg. "Generally powered by a 1.8/2 Litre turbo-charged straight four engine and based on a Nissan Silvia Chassis". Except, the 240SX was based on a Pulsar and had a 2.4Lt naturally aspirated engine.
This article should be broken down into regions: Japan, USA, Europe, Australia. AND/OR broken down into series: S10-S15.
Agreed with Tagishsimon about date context.
Microsnot 04:04, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Production dates/engines
The dates and engine configurations for the various S series were just my from the top of my head. I haven't verified these dates and engines.
Microsnot 01:51, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Too much tech, not enough normal stuff
Guys, I'm sure the tech stuff belongs in the article, but I get dizzling eyes trying to figure out what the point is. All I know is, I saw a car today badged as a Nissan Silvia and I wanted to know more about it, like how it came to be here, seeing as how it looked fairly recent. All I came away with was... well, I still have no idea how it came to be in the US. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Andrewhime (talk • contribs) . --Adding Silvia bodyparts and name plates is quite common in the US. S13 that convert to the coupe will install the Silvia trunk lock, Silvia front and rear nameplates, while S14 owners can use the Silvia rear nameplate and front hood emblem (replaces the Nissan badge). It's common rebadging, but usually, it's not considered a (so-called) "ricer-mod" if the person is using a JDM-Silvia motor as well as body parts. The Nissan Silvia itself is illegal to import to the US under all circumstances.
[edit] Explaining my edit
I mistakenly marked this edit: [1] as a minor edit, when in fact it included major changes.
Most of the changes I made for this edit were to reduce duplicity and ambiguity betwen this article and Nissan S platform, Nissan Gazelle, Nissan 240SX, and Sileighty. This article should, IMO, ideally describe only those models sold as Silvia, with readers directed to the Nissan S platform article to find information or links to articles about the 180SX, 200SX, 240SX, and Gazelle.
The correct capitalization of Nissan's electronic four wheel steering system is Super HICAS. See the scanned Nissan brochures for the 1991, 1992, and 1993 240SX here: [2] AKADriver 21:17, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
What about the removal of this?
S12 Model Breakdown:
United States and Canada: 200SX (XE, Turbo, and SE-V6).
Europe: 180ZX or Silvia.
Australia: Gazelle (GL & SGL).
Japan: Gazelle and Silvia (RS, RX, RS-X, Fisco, and others).
and the shortening of
- Because the Silvia and 180SX used different nose styling, but the body panels could be directly swapped, it became popular for enthusiasts to mount the cheaper and lighter S13 Silvia components on the front end of a 180SX body, particularly as a collision repair for cars damaged during motorsports. This combination is commonly known as a Sileighty. This modification became so common that Kid's Heart, a Nissan dealer in Japan, built and distributed about 500 Sileightys in 1997 with the help of Nissan, featuring the SR20DET, S13 fascia, a tuned ECU and upgraded LSD.
I apologize I should have been more clear on your talk page what I was referring to. Also, there is a reccomended remedy for mistakenly marking a minor edit on the Wikipedia:Minor Edits page. It is a little tedious but if you ask me it daves a lot of time, confusion, and strife in the long run.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 21:40, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- The S12 model breakdown was removed because it contained errors and little more than duplicate information with the Nissan S platform article, most of it unrelated to the Silvia. Perhaps the last line could be reinstated (though there were more S12 Silvia models than those).
- I shortened the Sileighty section because it did nothing but duplicate info from Sileighty, and the Sileighty is not a Silvia to begin with, it merely shares Silvia components. AKADriver 21:46, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
I believe it would be a good idea to reinsert the onevia reference though, perhaps slightly reworded though, because a Onevia, unlike a Sileighty, is technically just a modified Silvia. If you have no objections I'll try reinserting that.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 21:58, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Go for it. "Onevia" information should probably primarily be here, rather than the Sileighty article. AKADriver 22:52, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Recent edits by 69.229.11.158
I reverted your edits because there is a Nissan 200SX article for content about the 200SX. This article is about the Nissan Silvia. Yes, the two cars are substantially similar, but, in the context of your edits:
- no car badged "Silvia" ever got the VG engine.
- every market where the S12 body was sold as the Silvia, it had the FJ engine, so saying it was limited to those markets is superfluous.
AKADriver 14:10, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Added Australian info about the S15
I have a few facts to check before I'm totally happy with my entry, and then there's the slight conjecture about Nissan Australia's reason for delaying the introduction of the S15... I am taking that opinion from various Australian Motorsport magazines, now long buried in my cupboards.
It would probably also be interesting to point out that the Silvia is called the 200SX in Australia because Nissan Australia thought that the feminine name would not do well in Australia. There's also an apocrophyial story about the naming of the Nissan Cedric that is closely related and fairly amusing.
One more thought; the salesmen told me that part of the reason for the dropping of the S-series by Nissan was the lack of a suitable replacement engine, apart from the up-coming 350Z. The SR20 would no longer pass Japanese emission laws from August 2002 I was told. That fact (if verified) probably should be added to an SR20 page, but I believe it was another factor that contributed to the demise of the S platform.
[edit] Possible Country Split for S15?
The info on the S15 is starting to get crowded, should it be broken into country segments? Japan, Austrailia, and New Zealand? It would allow for easier reading and for more information to be posted dealing with the individual differences between the different countries versions of the S15. The differences are a bit more numerous then what is already posted.
Tiger 20:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- Anything that isn't about a car badged "Silvia" doesn't belong in this article anyway - that should all be in Nissan 200SX. — AKADriver ☎ 13:51, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] S15 Hardtop
"There was also a convertible variant of the Silvia, called the Varietta, featuring a folding hardtop, the first for a Japanese car."
Shouldn't the first be the 3000GT Spyders? Those things had folding hardtop. --211.72.233.5 05:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
- I don't know if the 3000GT Spyder was first, either, but it did predate the Varietta by a few years. Good catch. That statement is gone. — AKADriver ☎ 05:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
- According to the Nissan press release, here, the Varietta "featur(es) the first fully opening power metal top on a domestic convertible". Domestic in this case being Japan. As I understand it, the 3000GT Spyder was not sold in Japan. The Spyder conversion was done in America. Tiger 17:16, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wingo - can we end this?
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Look, the headlight shapes don't match at all, Wingo doesn't have the S15's character line that runs from the rear to the front wheel. Wingo is just supposed to be a "generic import car", and if the folks at Pixar were trying to make him a Silvia they failed. Can we drop it? Admittedly, I don't like "in popular culture" sections in automotive articles to begin with (unless it's a car with a serious impact on popular culture, such as a VW Beetle). A cartoon character with no more than passing resemblance doesn't warrant a mention. — AKADriver ☎ 16:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
- Your trained eye is not a valid argument for stating he is not a Silvia S15. You need sources to confirm this. Besides, all this just makes you sound like a sock puppet for T1g4h, who has already stopped changing him to Honda Civic.Hondasaregood 16:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
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- There are no sources to state it is a Silvia, either. You need sources to confirm that it is. That is valid ground to remove the statement, considering my untrained eye (I'm not an automotive designer by trade) can tell the difference. And no, I'm not a sock puppet, I've been registered as an editor for over a year with an established history of editing Nissan-related articles. — AKADriver ☎ 14:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for adding some more reason to this debate. Note, by the way, that T1g4h only gave up because he was tired of talking to a brick wall (his words, not mine). I feel much the same way (though I've only been observing/commenting, mostly). Someone needs to put an end to this silliness. Policy has been brought up multiple times by multiple editors, but has received no response. Last week, Isotope23 gave an ultimatum of sorts concerning The Delinquent Road Hazards, which I'm content to wait on for now, as I'm not sure how best to rewrite the article myself. There are multiple articles involved in this edit war that need to be handled the same way, though. --Fru1tbat 15:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
- There are no sources to state it is a Silvia, either. You need sources to confirm that it is. That is valid ground to remove the statement, considering my untrained eye (I'm not an automotive designer by trade) can tell the difference. And no, I'm not a sock puppet, I've been registered as an editor for over a year with an established history of editing Nissan-related articles. — AKADriver ☎ 14:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] about the silvia S16
Well on the article it says that there was a rumor on the internet that the s16 was meant to be produced, but it was mistaken for the prototype car, the Nissan AZEAL. well actually thats wrong... cuz lookin at the nissan AZEAL it dosent look at all like the S platform cars nissan had produced before... but thats not all lookin over the internet there is a pic of the REAL silvia s16 new version apparently taken from a magazine in japan... with a sr20vet and some other stuff... so as a huge fan of Nissan cars (specialy the silvia/240sx model) i would apreciate a lot if someone (with better english than mine) could or would correct it... —The preceding --Rodrigovivom 03:11, 29 January 2007 (UTC)comment was added by 200.11.57.32 (talk) 16:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Cleaning Up
I went through and improved the grammatical errors and removed instances of colloquialisms. I also removed inappropriate diction and corrected the inconsistency in the first section dealing with "majority" and "most." The overall tone of this article lacks concrete substance.
It is recommended this article be watched for potential reversions to its incorrect and poorly-written state.
170.35.224.64 20:44, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Reply from the 'cleaned'
-- I believe you were referring to my writing; I tried my best to avoid colloquialisms. "Sticker price" is a colloquialism, just so you know -- and "humdrum" is a dictionary word. Careful!
Kajifox 10:01, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Pictures
This article would benefit from the inclusion of more pictures and info bars to meet Wikipedia standards. 170.35.224.64 22:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Redtop and Blacktop in s13
Can someone insert the differences (turbocharger and valvecover color) in these engines and the years they were offered, respectively, to the s13 section? 170.35.224.64 22:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- That information belongs in the '180SX' page as the "black top" SR20DET was found in the 180SX from years 1994-98, and only the "redtop" was found in cars badged as 'Silvia'.
- There is also a "redtop" SR20DE, to be found in the Autech tuned Spec S S15, where the standard rocker cover color for both the SR20DET and SR20DE for the S15 were black.
- Tiger 05:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Cleaned up a little more.
The rewriting of my initial work has resulted in a lot of context splits and double-ups, so I'm working through a number of them. Kinda wish it hadn't been gone through for "grammar", too, as that seems to have broken it a bit more, but I suppose I'm being picky, this is Wiki. Kajifox 11:00, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Cleanup needed (again)
I have not edited an article or contributed anything to Wikipedia in quite a while partly due to users that like to "babysit" the articles they work on, preventing corrections and stubbornly reverting the content every time a change is made.
I see an instance of that occurring here as most of the corrections made prior to the current version by myself and others have been replaced with the original grammar and punctuation mistakes. A quick look over the article and the discussion page makes it abundantly clear why Wikipedia can never be considered a viable source of factual information concerning certain subjects; There seems to be a jumble of conflicting views regarding not only the content but the style and presentation thereof. This seems to be effectively preventing any totally correct version of this article from being present on this site.
The comment from one of the above users requesting more meaningless banter and less technical information was good for a laugh, but I suggest that at the very least links to off-site resources that are able to maintain a more concrete source of data be permanently included.
With pity and disgust,
170.35.224.64 19:54, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
- A diff [3] between your last edit and the current version shows an overall improvement in capitalization and puncutation. The letters in model codes (S13) and alphanumeric model names (180SX) should be capitalized. I don't know what you're complaining about; the only edit wars and "babysitting" to have taken place with this article revolve around an unsourced statement about a minor character from a film. — AKADriver ☎ 21:19, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
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- I seem to think he's referring to my going through and removing such things as "sticker price"! Which I must confess is the only thing I can remember off the top of my head. This article's improved hugely since I rewrote the portion of the article on early Silvias, I'm extraordinarily happy to see people contributing so much. It's a nice thing to provide a seed and see that which you couldn't provide build up around the outside -- People who insist their over-prosaic modifications must stay, however... Suffice to say that I wasn't the one that removed the majority of that "cleanup", in the end (though admittedly I took credit for it). Kajifox (talk) 00:41, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Merger proposal
I think the article Nissan 200SX should be merged with this article as at the moment Nissan 200SX is pretty much just a block from Nissan Silvia which has been copied and pasted with a couple of bits being added/deleted. Unless someone can clean up the Nissan 200SX article enough to warrant its own article it should maybe have its own section somewhere in this article.Cstubbies (talk) 22:53, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
- The Nissan 200SX article should not be merged, it should be specified by market and cleaned the hell up. In Australia, the 200SX was a Silvia rebadge after S13 (starting with S14), but in the US it was S10 to S12 and then Pulsar-chassied stuff -- In the UK it was different again. Suppose I'll have to go through later. Kajifox (talk) 00:43, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
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- I agree, it should be expanded and cleaned up, not merged in. Mergers are just lazy-man cleanup in cases like this.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 02:44, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
