Talk:Nissan 300ZX

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Contents 1 Z32 2 Production numbers/Commemorative Edition 3 200ZR, 300ZR additions to Z31... 4 Z32 Production Differences 5 Z32 SMZ Specifications 5.1 Suspension 5.2 Performance Enhancement 5.3 Aerodynamics 5.4 Styling / Interior 6 SMZ 7 Image:1986 Nissan 300ZX.jpg 8 Pop culture/movies/games 9 Split proposal 10 FR? 11 Citation improvements 12 Followup to merge proposal 13 The bit about the RB20 engine 14 Throughout its life... 15 Image of 1990 300ZX Engine NA 16 Z Encyclopedia 17 12 Hours of Sebring win

[edit] Z32

in 1990, the Z32s front nose panel was made with no nissan emblem. in 1991 they first incorperated the emblem. in 91 the driver airbag was an option. in 92 the driver airbag came standard, with the option of a passenger airbag. in 94 the taller wing was put on the car, and the HICAS was changed from hydrolic to electic. thats as much as i know.

Reply - The Z32 centre nose panel came out with 3 different versions. The Z logo was put on JDM and Asia Pacific exports. The Nissan hamburger logo was on European versions. And the blank panel was for the US market. ZCarJase 05:55, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

-The US 1990 Model year 300zx was the only year to have the "blank" nose panel. All 1991+ Model year US 300zx's had the "hamburger." Additionally the "JDM" emblem was availible with two background colors, red, and grey, from nissan. Though I have only seen the "grey" background on the factory installed emblems.

[edit] Production numbers/Commemorative Edition

While the Twinturbo.net production differences remains a bible of the community it was gathered from incorrect or partially incorrect information that continues to be spread. The Nissan FAST vin database gives correct production numbers. The production numbers from nissan can be seen here: http://www.az-zbum.com/information.production.shtml

Think the Production numbers currently shown need to be updated to the correct figures from the Nissan Vin Database, not what motortrend reported over a decade ago.

Additionally I am not sure of where the appropriate place is to include information on the "commemorative edition 300." Should that information be included in the opening paragraph where it is already mentioned? Or should the details be put further down in the z32 section? Should a picture of the numbered plaque be included in the page for identification? Additionally I think we should include the vin information about the numbered 300, to that end it is as follows: The last 6 Digits of the vin are the "serial" number for the car. An example of this vin number would be: JN1CZ24D7TX960300. The last 6 digits represent the serial number, for the case of the commemorative Zs, the first 2 are "96" indictating that it is the commemorative edition. The last four digits represent which number it is, eg "0001" would represent "1 of 300" and "0300" would represent "300 of 300." At the same time Nissan put this plaque on these few cars Nissan also included a nearly identicle plaque on the factory restored 240Z's, as well as sold a very few "blank" plaques that were not etched with a number or engraved like the plaques on the factory restored 240Zs.

I would appreciate any comments on locating the Commemorative information, discussion on including a picture of the plaque, and verbage describing or identifying the Commemorative editions, as well as if it is appropriate to include such trivial knowledge as to the few other Cases of the bronze plaque out there.Zluster 22:01, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 200ZR, 300ZR additions to Z31...

The Z31 Chassis also consisted of the 200ZR and 300ZR models only made in Japan. They were both inline 6 versions of the Z31. These should be added, and when I get more time I will try to.--Дрakюлa^Talk 15:05, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Z32 Production Differences

I added production differences as well as corrected some exaggerated technical details in the main Z32 article. Some anonymous user maliciously rolled back the changes with no explanation other than "vandalism" - which is simply untrue. The differences are well known and the changes made were cited.--TheOtherWhiteMeat 02:14, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Removed reference to 1995 "gold paint" - there is no anniversary color, nor is it sited in the factory 1995 brochure. Nissan Dealerships often 'create' special edition vehicles in order to move them, but these are not factory modifications.

--64.236.208.26 15:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)aclater

[edit] Z32 SMZ Specifications

The SMZ was only available in 1995 as a 25th anniversary of the Z the specifications are as follows (taken from http://www.yugobernie.com/images/Misc/SMZ_specs.jpg

[edit] Suspension

Progressive Rate Front and Rear Coil Springs
  Front: 32-44 newtons/mm variable rate; 3/4" lowered
  Rear: 25-35 newtons/mm variable rate; 3/4" lowered
Stillen Sway Bars
  Front: 2-way Adjustable / 28mm in diameter; Urethane Pivot Bushings
  Rear: 3-Way Adjustable / 21mm in diameter; Urethane Pivot Bushings
Special Yokohama AVS Performance Alloy Wheels 17' x 9' Front, 18' x 9.5' Rear
Special Yokohama Motor Sports Z-Rated Tires
 255 /40 ZX 17 Front
 265 /35 ZR 18 Rear

[edit] Performance Enhancement

Skyline Group N / GT-R Brakes (r33?)
Cross Drilled and Axially Vented Rotors; Larger Calipers and Pistons; Upgraded HI-Metal Brake Pads F&R
High Flow Intake Filter System (AKA Pop Charger)
Aluminized Steel Free Flow Exhaust System
Turbocharger Boost Pressure Increase (365bhp)
Exclusive Energy Management System utilizing Powerbeat Battery

[edit] Aerodynamics

Stillen Rear Deck Wing
Stillen Urethane front Spoiler
Stillen Urethane Rear Valance Panel
Stillen Urethane Side Skirts
Stillen Urethane Door Fillers
Stillen Louvered Front Nose Panel

[edit] Styling / Interior

Carbon Fiber Interior Door Trim
Carbon Fiber Dashboard Centerpiece
Carbon Fiber Anatomic Shift Knob
Magnesium Aluminum Drilled Pedal Pads
SMZ Windshield Graphic
SMZ Front and Rear Emblems
Serialized Console Plaque
Serialized Engine Compartment ID
Steve Millen Design Embroidered Console Box
SMZ-Embroidered Jacket

64.236.128.14 20:29, 15 September 2006 (UTC)aclater

[edit] SMZ

Dan - As a reference article, this should be a source of information on any special edition models made either by nissan, or in partnership with nissan. I can assure you that my posting of the SMZ specifications had NOTHING to do with being an advertisment for nissan, but was an attempt to clear up incorrect information already on this page and further provide details of what was available. As such, I am restoring my edits.

[edit] Image:1986 Nissan 300ZX.jpg

Image: Sorry, but the car is butt ugly, please don't put a 2+2 Z on there...

Do you have a guideline that says that GNU Free Documentation License images can not be used in the namespace? --WikiCats 01:05, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

It has been over a week since I requested that you justify the deletion of this image with support by the guidelines. Under the guidelines images provided by editors of Wikipedia are allowed inclusion in Wikipedia. It is a contravention of the guidelines to assert that such contributions are ineligible. My objective was to produce an image that matched the quality of Image:Nissan-300ZX.jpg. I had the car detailed and photographed at several locations. It had to be taken a the right time of day for the best light. The image was then Photoshopped, then uploaded. It represents several hours work. --WikiCats 23:59, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

The stock image is fine. You changed it, imposing your widespread of self-promotion on Wikipedia with your photos. Leave the damn image alone. Thanks.

Thank you. You need to provide a guideline that prevents images provided by editors of Wikipedia from being allowed inclusion in Wikipedia. Many editors provide images to the encyclopedia. Updating contributions to Wikipedia is common practice. When you get more experience you will understand how debate works. --WikiCats 13:01, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

The above image referenced is substandard as compared to the nissan stock photo. 72.66.63.132 Adam

Just my 2c from a photographer's point of view: The image shown here is pretty poor compared to the stock image (composition, lighting, angle, distracting background, pole etc.). Unless there is a problem with the stock image (copyright, fair use or other licensing issues) then that image should stay. If it does have problems and this image has to be used, it needs to be Photoshopped to blank the distracting background (I think the car would look good against a plain black "canvas").Zunaid 09:38, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pop culture/movies/games

These days every car game includes almost all modern and classic sports cars. The addition of this info thus does not "add value" to the reader's experience of the article, it is more a reflection of the game/movie than of the car itself. The mere fact that a car appeared in such and such a game/movie is not notable in and of itself. WP:TRIVIA gives clear guidance on this and suggests such info be removed. The mere fact that other car articles have them does not mean that this one should too, in fact they should all be removed. Zunaid ^(T•C) Please rate me at Editor Review! 16:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Split proposal

[edit] FR?

The page states the 300ZX/Z31 is FR, front engine, rear-wheel drive. Can someone verify this? I've got a 300ZX/Z31 and I can pretty much guarantee it's FF (front engine, front wheel drive). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stadsport (talk • contribs) 09:16, December 30, 2006.

I'd be absolutely fascinated to discover how you're going to guarantee that... --DeLarge 14:14, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Trust me, my z31 has broken loose, equal parts rain and play, more than enough for me to know that it is rear drive. Here's a few simple tests that you can do to check on my claim, 1. Find a back road and do a burnout (This is dangerous and illegal in most places, so don't cry to me when you lose your only ride.), simple enough, where the smoke is coming from is your driving tires, 2. Crawl under the car and look for the drive shaft, if you see a thick metal cylinder in the middle of the car's under belly, it's rear drive, 3. Ask around on Z car boards. Kidcorona 08:32, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citation improvements

Now that the Z31/Z32 split debate is concluded, I would like to begin working on improving the citation of references/sources for the article. I recommend we use footnotes and add a section for them in the main article. I have access to a 1991 Nissan Service Manual in print and online and will start verifying the article's information and posting results here. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. -- AManangan 07:57, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Followup to merge proposal

Now, with this current (as of 28th Feb) edit which deleted any reference to the 2 liter models, as this is very ridiculous to ignore the 2 liter models, considering I am more interested in the 200ZR ZR-1. This is why I had to do a bit of revert edit, whilst retaining most of the current edits.

A few things to answer, which has now been edited

1. Japanese people still call the 300ZX as Fairlady Z
2. The 300ZX did not win Le Mans as that edit made out to be, it was controversially won by a Dauer 962, a converted Porsche racer which was banned afterward.
3. Class wins: Even Mr Cunningham himself, prefers the overall win at Daytona to Le Mans, as this was the word of his. I spoke to him at the Goodwood Festival of Speed in 2002 when he was prepping a Lola Can-Am car there

but sorry to say this, this is now why I support this being split if any reference to 2 liter models are getting deleted. Willirennen 19:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

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My apologies for the delete of the 2 liter models--I did not understand that they were Z31 variants with a different displacement engine. It was not explained before mentioning them in the article exactly how they are related to Z31s, and if they are, please add to the article stating so.

Could you add the information about the Dauer 962 controversy to the article as well along with a source?

Do you have any written, verifiable evidence about what Mr. Cunningham said to you? Perhaps a website source? If so then could you add that to the article as well?

We need to make sure all information we place in the article has a citation or source we can double-check. Thank you again for clarifying those points.

AManangan 06:54, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Just added that one about the Dauer 962 bit as requested, trouble is I'm not sure how long that bit is going to stay as it doesn't talk about the Z32 itself and the one about Mr Cunningham, the only thing I got is a video tape, thats if I can find it in the house, I know he still operates a workshop in El Segundo, California and not sure if I can print the address here as I have the business card. Willirennen 11:45, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The bit about the RB20 engine

Just seen AManangan's edit and I would like to ask, is it true that, though the cooler is mounted differently, the horsepower was restricted to not to upset Skyline GTS-R sales as they both had the same engine, but the latter with more horsepower? Willirennen 23:14, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Very interesting. I don't know. I'll try to do some research on it and update in Talk. AManangan 19:53, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Fixed number of years it was on car and drivers 10 best. It's 7 not 6. 90=1, 91=2, 92=3, 93=4, 94=5, 95=6, 96=7

[edit] Throughout its life...

Quoting "Throughout its life, the 300ZX has been praised by critics", I need to say that this wasn't the case for the Z31 in the UK as according to numerous people I know from the Z Club, they were unfairly slated by the anti-Japanese car press, largely as the review cars were all NA auto models, also journalists expected that the 300ZX to be in the shadow of the 240Z when demands for GTs were far more greater than the sports car market in the 1980s. Though I'm not really the best to explain that, the best person to explain would be somebody in the UK who knows a thing or two about them. Willirennen 23:49, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image of 1990 300ZX Engine NA

I have a photo of my 1990 300ZX engine if anyone would like to post to main site. Thanks

Peterwolfs 01:32, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Z Encyclopedia

Hi, I'm trying to gather information for a Z specific wiki called [1], if you contributed to this article would you mind doing the same over there please? Hoping to grow it into a usual reference for all Zs. Thanks.

86.134.46.248 19:09, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 12 Hours of Sebring win

I was just watching the 12 Hours of Sebring, and they noted that this year is only the third time a car not in the "top" or "premier" category won the race. They listed the other two cars to do so, and the Nissan 300ZX was in the group. However, I don't see mention of that in this article. Maybe I missed it, but if it's really not here, it would be a nice fact to add. Gentgeen (talk) 02:19, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

They won the 24 Hours of Daytona in a similar fashion. The359 (talk) 02:23, 16 March 2008 (UTC)