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An "American Pit Bull Terrier" is an, presumably, American name for a very ancient British breed, so the distinction attempted to be drawn in the article ("unlikely...") is actually uninformative.
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[edit] Not "meaningless"
"Technically, this modification rendered the painting meaningless, since gramophones were not capable of recording, but the public seemed not to have noticed this error,"
It certainly doesn't render the painting meaningless, it just changes the context. I always assumed the "master" in His Master's Voice was meant to be a successful recording artist, rather than just an average Joe making his own recordings at home.
If, say, Enrico Caruso was Nipper's master, and Nipper was sitting in front of a disc gramophone playing one of Caruso's recordings, then the dog would (obviously) be listening to his master's voice. 217.155.20.163 01:00, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Modification of painting
The story as I have read in many histories of the phonograph that have been published usually give this story,
"It had been several years after the painting had been completed that Barraud wished to update the painting in order to sell it. So, he went to the sales offices of the Gramaphone company and asked to borrow a horn for the purpose. Afterwards, he showed the "updated" painting to an interested company offical who told Barraud if he would paint out the rest of the Edison-Bell machine with one of the Berliner style-ones he would buy the painting. Barraud did, and went on to make three copies of the changed painting for the Gramaphone comapany. The ghost of the original Edison-bell machine can still be seen in the first painting."
[edit] Would not have been an Ediphone model
The original phonograph was an Edison-Bell (probably a "Standard" model)machine. All home-entertainment cylinder phonographs were capable of making recordings, not just "dictating" models, such as the Ediphone.
It was Nipper's death in 1895 not a death of a visitor bitten in the leg. Francis was not the former owner at the time of Nipper's death. Mark was the "former owner". I modified the wording to make this more clear. Greensburger 06:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] March 2008 RCA or HMV
"Nipper" was the trademark for RCA, according to this reference: http://home.rca.com/en-US/PressReleaseDetail.html?Cat=RCAHistory&MN=11. Not sure why the reference was changed to "HMV". This trademark seems to have been long-standing--since 1901 for Victor, which became RCA.
I am aware of the discussion on the talk page of the article on RCA about this very issue, here which seems to indicate that HMV held the Nipper rights in "...most of Europe and the Commonwealth..." Although that statement seems to be unreferenced, this could be metioned here. In other words, include BOTH, but do not simply delete RCA. Thanks. JeanColumbia (talk) 10:44, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
- No, this logo started out having nothing whatsoever to do with RCA, indeed predating the existance of RCA. In its early years RCA also did not use (and had no rights to use) this already internationaly famous logo. There was no connection until RCA bought Victor Talking Machine Co; the web site correctly notes that this was in 1929. -- Infrogmation (talk) 01:42, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
