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Niobe was also the name of the German training-ship commanded by the famous Felix von Luckner. He probably made the choice of this name to remember the name of the Russian ship used by him, in 1894 (or 1897 ?), aged of thirteen, to escape from his family.
Add-on by bosun@mipnet.fr
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[edit] Disambiguation Page
Why don't we move the "Other Uses" section to a disambiguation page? Tom 20:09, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
- Good idea - Done. I'm thinking the second mythological Niobe should be moved to a stub page and be added to disambiguation too. - Ravenous 14:51, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Obscure vandalism ??
I don't believe that Niobe.jpg is an oil on canvas painting by a French painter who died over a hundred years ago. --Ben Best 06:37, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
- Fixed it. - Ravenous 15:26, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] A "biography"
The mythic theme of Niobe has been given a forthright but unreferenced preamble making her "historical", placing her, not in Lydia but in Phrygia, giving her a date at the time of the Trojan War. I see no way to edit this to make it better. Can anyone help? See the following. --Wetman (talk) 14:47, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] A Parahistorical Niobe
I have commented in red italics on some of the problems with the following text creating a para-historical Niobe (Wetman (talk) 15:01, 29 April 2008 (UTC))
According to... Niobe was the daughter of the Anatolian local ruler Tantalus, Tantalus is associated with Lydia in the texts called the "Phrygian", although he ruled not in the traditional heartland of Phrygia but in its western extremities, in an area around the Gulf of İzmir, centered particularly in the Mount Sipylus this modern geography is anachronistic and its neighboring Mount Yamanlar (sometimes also called "the western Sipylus") near the modern-day cities of İzmir and Manisa, presumably around the 12th century BC. unsourced historical "date" following myth is already treated She married Amphion of Thebes and the Greek mythology acted as a vehicle for her historical record. Since her homeland was the cradle where Lydia was to emerge as a state several centuries after her, an important number of sources none identified view her as a "proto-Lydian". what would "proto" mean in this context? Niobe was the sister of Pelops, who gave his name to the Peloponnese.
Making Niobe historical and thus "real" in this manner creates confusions that are not met with in the literature nor in the sources. --Wetman (talk) 15:01, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Cool! I will add the necessary improvements. Let's not mount rush more! Cretanforever (talk) 17:28, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- I should be able to develop this article in the coming days and source it seriously. I will start by reverting it to the previous version if no objections. Cretanforever (talk) 08:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
