User talk:Nil Einne/Archive 1

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[edit] Welcome

Welcome!

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Someone must have been lazy, as you have not been welcomed yet. Thank you for your contributions. Since you have been here for a while, we can pretty much assume you are not a troll, vandal, or clueless newbie. I hope you continue to like the place and don't get all grumpy and leave over nothing. Here are a few good links for newcomers, even though you aren't one:

I hope you still enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian, and won't get mad over something stupid and leave! By the way, please be sure to continue to sign your name on Talk and vote pages using four tildes (~~~~) to produce your name and the current date, or three tildes (~~~) for just your name. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome, and sorry for your not being welcomed in the past! Alphax τεχ 15:25, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

ok thanksAndycjp (talk) 12:28, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cricket quiz

Q13 is all yours. take it away... -- Ian ≡ talk 17:00, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Omega Directive

Hi, i'm the guy who wrote the page. The problem with the omega particles as represented was that they are meant to be unstable, but the aliens who created it were trying to stabilise it to give their culture a future (using resonance frequency or some other piece of treknobabble). The question is unresolved in the episode although they seem to form a pattern before they are destroyed. It's just a funny old universe really. Does this help? Pydos 11:49, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Plame Affair

Hi, I noticed your question about Wilson's politicial contributions on Talk:Plame_affair. I pulled up some info from the FECinfo political contributions database, which indexes the free, public contributions info. I hope this helps. I found the receipt for Wilson's contribution to Bush's campaign in the 2000 election cycle, but I did not find any contributions to Gore. The Kerry contributions start in May 2003, I believe. --Zippy 16:19, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The date

He said himself that, as soon as he discovered it, he got things moving. September was when the anonymous user wrote the article. --VKokielov 01:45, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't know...Let's ask Jimbo. Otherwise, I believe you. --VKokielov 05:26, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
MAY?!
What scared me was that he might have discovered it in September, but written the article in USA Today only in December. He di', di'n't he?
Aw, hell. What could compel him, after three months, to crap on us? Brr. --VKokielov 17:44, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Irish people peer review?

The additions and editions made on this page even within recent weeks - especily photos - has vastly improved it, to the better I think. Would you support it being submitted for a peer review, and help tidy it up/add some more? Fergananim 14:47, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] BYU Religious Requirements

You asked the following about the Brigham Young University page:

I'm a bit confused by the above statement. It seems to suggest non-LDS students need to regularly attend some sort of religious service. This would imply that atheists, agonostics, and non practicing religious individuals can't attend BYU. I also wonder what happens with religions where regular attendance of some sort of religious service is not compulsory or even generally common, e.g. Buddhism, Hinduism, or even Sikhism which is mentioned in reference in the article later on. Can anyone help clarify the matter? is my interpretation correct?

As far as I know, the endorsement by a religious leader simply states that the student in question is living by the standards his religion requires.  If attendance of services is one of these requirements, than the leader shouldn't endorse the student if he doesn't regularly attend services.  If, though, as you ask, attendance of services is not required, I can't see why a student would not be endorsed for not attending.  Basically, just live by the tenets of your religion, and you'll be fine.

Hope that helps!  Merry Christmas!

John 21:03, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Answers.com

You've probably realised by now but if not, answers.com copies stuff from Wikipedia, fully legally and identified as from Wikipedia. So if you see stuff there that is the same here, it's probably because they copied it from us... Nil Einne 15:06, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, you're only the fifth person to tell me that.  :p Rogue 9 17:55, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sloths

Oh man, I wish. I took that picture during a spring break trip around Costa Rica. I actually got to hold that sloth in my arms. It was so cool. Anyway, the camera I used has both still, audio, and video capabilities. Unfortunately I didn't have the memory card space to shoot video while I was there as the place I was staying during the time I took the sloth pictures didn't have internet access so I couldn't upload the photos to clear space. That was horrible grammar. Wait, there was internet access in that town. Hmm. Oh, I know what the deal was. The room we were in had large, almost floor to ceiling, windows all the way around and was on the top floor of the building. This meant that all pictures were backlit. I had to use a flash to balance it out and then adjust the brightness. Shooting quality video from a palm-sized digital camera would have been near impossible. Thanks for giving me an excuse to go back there, though. Now I just have to convince my parents to donate airfare and a week's lodging so I can shoot a 10 second video segment for Wikipedia. :) —WAvegetarian•CONTRIBUTIONSTALK• EMAIL• 19:32, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AFD

Remeber the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charlie Sheen and Alex Jones interviews? It reached nothing even remotly resembling consensus, but it was deleted anyway? Please join the debate regarding undeleting it. I view this as nothing more as the majority imposing their will on the minority, in a blatant violation of the spirit of wikipedia --Striver 22:08, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Belly dance

I don't see what's PoV about the fact that there was a craze. With regard to your actual edit, I agree that the "for us" shouldn't be there, but not for the reason that you gave. It had nothing to do with people being interested in what happened in the West (though why do you assume that readers won't be interested in that?); the article said that it was good fortune because it led to the making of films of dancers in the late-nineteenth century that would otherwise not have been made. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 14:36, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Labour Party Troubles

Hi Nil!

I've noticed your comment on the current scandals of the Labour Party - I've tried to write accurate articles however you will find that hard-core Labour fans are removing them as fast as you can write them, also my grammar and style isn't excellent therefore I have tried to stick to the facts, but please feel free to make changes anywhere on Wiki. Hayday 09:38, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] United Nations

Hey,

We're starting a small wiki dedicated to Foreign Policy and UN Research. We're pretty new at the whole wiki thing, but you seem to have made some solid foreign policy posts. We'd love your expertise if you've got the time to possibly answer some questions and contribute. Interested? Email Admin.MUNFO@gmail.com and check out http://www.munfo.com (very early in development ;)) Fj winit

[edit] External copyvios

Greetings. In regard to Lonelygirl15, you asked about linking to a copyvio. We generally don't have a problem with linking to copyright violations. That sort of thing isn't usually handled on WP:CP. All the best, – Quadell (talk) (random) 12:24, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vigilance

Hi, just wanted to commend you for your vigilance in keeping wikipedia free of copyright violating images Nil Einne 16:14, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! :) --Abu Badali 17:01, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wonderful Essay

I just read your fantastic essay at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science#a short brief essay. It was kind of mean but it made me laugh. =D Hyenaste (tell) 18:41, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Job

Uhhh, want are you talking about? Jerry G. Sweeton Jr. 17:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Ketuanan Melayu

Thanks, it's no problem at all. I actually didn't even know we were going to feature the article since I haven't been following my watchlist for the past few months. Hope you enjoyed the article. :) Johnleemk | Talk 09:42, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trash Message

I'd ask you to not talk trash about what I believe personally, so please quit it and do not "message" me unless you have something viable and/or interesting to look at or inform me of. I don't like trash on my wiki profile. If you didn't intend for that paragraph to mean as what I applied above... then please inform me of this, however, writing if "homosexuals should not be married, then don't allow lawyers, politicians, etc" or whatever you implied is offensive to me, and un-called for. IronCrow 00:45, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Saddam

No problem, been a bit hectic there today for obvious reasons. Thanks for the message, Badgerpatrol 04:59, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Its time to bomb Saddam!

I'm terrble with graphics, but I just wanted to give a "thanks" for the Trials of Saddam Hussesin article, you're a better man than me Gunga Din! 14:56, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Heggedal

Thanks for your comments! I'll see whether I can sort out the rest of the mess - Mr Weern doesn't appear in my encyclopedia as a composer either, so I'm guessing that's a hoax too. Sam Vimes | Address me 18:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Misinformed

Thank you for the message you left on my talk page regarding my contribution to the Trial of Saddam Hussein article. If you read my contribution carefully ('Prime Minister Tony Blair stated that he is "against the death penalty, whether it is Saddam Hussein or anybody else".') you will see that none of those words are "he stopped short of condeming the verdict". That edit was made by the contributor who followed me. Please be more careful in future. 84.92.93.58 19:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AnonEMouse RfA

Hi. I saw your comments on User:AnonEMouse's RfA page. I am supporting the RfA, because AnonEMouse has made valuable contributions in several areas, but I also share what I believe might be some of your concerns about some of the edits in the thread under scrutiny. If, as you indicate, you are going to be bringing up related matters somewhere else after the RfA closes, I'd be interested to know where the discussion takes place. Regards, Newyorkbrad 01:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Saddam Hussesin

Sorry about that, I must have overridden an edit conflict. Sorry about that, must not have even noticed that. Usually, I deal in much more obscure corners of wikipedia so I rarely come across edit conflicts... Cheers V. Joe 13:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: welcome etc

Hey, thanks for the message you left me welcoming me etc.. it was nice to find that there, and thanks for all the links. See ya around then! LibLord 00:38, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nil Einne Defender of Justice

Yeah, umm I just gave you a official Level 20 warning and you have been prohibited from doing anything on Wikipedia for the rest of this week. If your offenses continue to add up you will be given a yellow ticket, a swift kick, a goat and sent to somewhere in Mexico in a box. Please stop the offenses and work together. And by the way ummmm yeah uhhh nice message I am glad to know you are very PERSONAL with your Wikipedia, just calm down and walk away. Watch for the Bowstaff. Oh and by the way send me another one of those stop signs, I LOVE those they add color to my discussion I will try to send you one as soon as possible. Bowstaffer

[edit] Nil Einne Reciever of the Yellow Card

Yeah, ummmmm someone has emotional issues. And by the way I dare you to edit something, try it I triple dog dare you. Oh and if you think that I would go to Malaysia and ship you to Mexico you are retarded and live in your dark room picking mushrooms. Stop ruining everyones life and go back to listening to Josh Groban and watching Star Trek. You have also recieved the official yellow card and have one the, "I Like giving People Warnings and Stop Sign" award. Give me another please, come on you didn't answer my request. Tell me how to do it. Bowstaffer

[edit] User:Nil Einne/Sandbox

Per Wikipedia:Fair_use#Policy, "Fair use images may be used only in the article namespace." I came across your "sandbox" page that makes extensive use of fair-use images, and before I went through and de-included them all, I wanted to provide you the opportunity to do so. — pd_THOR | =/\= | 12:15, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] UTC

OMG! I thought only us Americans were silly enough to screw up our sleep cycles with DST. Ya learn something every day. :-) —Hanuman Das 13:51, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks! That was really exciting to see that! Mmeyers 21:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mel Gibson mugshot photo

I didn't want to take the entire discussion at the fair use pages, so I wanted to bring this to you. The mugshot photo taken of Gibson was taken by the LASD, the police agency that arrested and booked Gibson. I found out from their terms of service that their images are non-commercial only (which is against our policies). Some believe that mugshot photos are PD upon creation, but it is only true in some areas. I tried to contact the LASD about the clarification of the photo, but no response was made by them. I know Mel doesn't like the photo, but my main goal is to make sure the license is right. I hope this should be enough to explain the situation. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 02:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Don't Bite.

On the main page talk, someone asked this:
The Socialist Party gains in Dutch elections, while Jan Peter Balkenende's (pictured) Christian Democrats retain their plurality" is it plurality or popularity ?--Pixel ;-) 12:36, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

You answered:
Plurality is a well understood English word with a specific meaning when it comes to elections. This is the normal English wikipedia, not the simple one. Do you suggest we give up on all words and just don't communicate? Nil Einne 11:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I wonder if you found that very nice, very helpful, or very wiki at all. Because I found it the opposite of those things.

Read this.

Furthermore, User:Pixel ;-) was merely asking a question, not asserting anything. He or she wasking for help, or for an answer, and instead had you jumping down his or her throat. Grow up and don't be an ass. Post to my Talk if you have qualms or queries. Cheers. Shagmaestro 14:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I read your post to my talk page, and I apologise for taking your comments out of context. It was my error, and I certainly jumped at you the way I asked you not to jump at others. I apologise for being a hypocrite as well as an ass myself. Case closed! Shagmaestro 15:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Well this one ain't closed. I think that your comments on the Humanities ref desk about the "photographs" of John Ingram were uncivil and did not assume good faith. Sure the OP was ambiguous, but I think they deserved a little more credit than to be ridiculed and accused of trolling. Please chill a little. --Dweller 15:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I moved your troll accusation about the "photographs" of King Henry to the Discussion page for Ref Desk, because I did not want a new Wikipedia contributor to feel like their head had been bitten off for using words imprecisely, and time seemed of the essence, because a questioner may check back right away to see what the contributors to Wikipedia, in their collective wisdom, have come up with in response to a question. I wish, in retrospect, that I had just contacted you first to express my wish that the response be modified to sound less like an accusation or attack. Best wishes. Edison 17:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Labels

Got your note on labels and Selenium Sulfide. Good call there, I didn't realize that there was at least one flavor of H&S that used this as its active - though I'll note that H&S' web paged didn't make note of the ingredients, it only pointed out that Se. Sulfide is a common ingredient.

For what it's worth, no offense taken.

Thanks again for the pointer! --Dennis The TIger 06:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. Those were notes I didn't see in the FAQ.

Thanks again, --Dennis The TIger 04:10, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use images in user space

Hi. It might be a good idea to remove Image:Monkey3.jpg from User:Nil Einne/Sandbox/Monkey since fair use images are not supposed to be used in the user space according to fair use criterion #9. Thanks. Khatru2 07:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merry Christmas!


Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays Nil Einne! | AndonicO Talk | Sign Here 01:04, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
May you and your family have a Merry Christmas, as well as any other Holiday you may celebrate. I hope that warmth, good cheer, and love surround you during these special days. May God bless you during the Holidays. | AndonicO Talk | Sign Here 01:04, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] BLP

Nil Einne - I saw your comments on my talk page regarding the Duke lacrosse talk page. Thanks for explaining that. I had decided that Wikipedia didn't enforce its own rules or guidelines, so I stopped complaining at the time. But the BLP policy would cover it, then. Thanks again. Valtam 15:19, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] BLP comments re: DS

I found your recent comments regarding the Derek Smart wiki article to be very insightful. I think it's one of the more sane perspectives that has come out of the silliness that seems to surround the subject. Thanks for taking the time to write up something so thoughtful about the BLP. -- Tomlouie | talk 02:31, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Auckland Meetup 2 Scheduled - Feb 10 2007

You are invited to Auckland Meetup 2 on the afternoon of Saturday February 10th 2007 at Galbraith's Ale House in Mt Eden. Please see Wikipedia:Meetup/Auckland 2 for details. You can also bookmark Wikipedia:Meetup/Auckland to be informed of future NZ meetups. - SimonLyall 08:53, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] In responce to your "fuck the British Empire"

I am so very offended, i have just gone round to my local petral station to buy several cans of petral and Malasian/New Zeland flags, i will them join an angery mob and burn dowm the Malasian and New Zeland embassys in London shouting "Behead those who insult the British Empire" and "Malasia watch your back, Winston Churchill is comming back". If this is not enough i will strap explosives onto myself and onto any 14 year old children i can find, and run at the Malasian infidels shouting "God save the queen", then blow myself up for the British Empire!!!

LOL

I don't really want a retern to the British Empire, it is more of a joke to be honest, and you are more than welcome to slag it on on my talk page, but just remember that the British Empire modernised Malasia greatly, and created New Zeland. --Boris Johnson VC 09:53, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ayatollah

I think you could / should repost that one on the username discussion board, there have been a few religious names recently and the more we look at the more we can build a picture of where the line is. It's your baby so I'll leave it with you for now. Deizio talk 16:38, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Huh?

I seem to have deeply offended you with my question about Blacksad on the Entertainment Reference Desk. I would normally apologize, but your accusation (which I assume was aimed at me) was completely incorrect. I stand up for homosexuality, and get my fair share of ridicule for it. I'm not religious and I most certainly do not believe a person will go to hell if they have sex before marriage. However I do believe somone stands a good chance of contracting an STD if they have frequent unprotected sex and I do agree with your opinion on America (BTW, I live in Canada).

If your comment was not aimed at me, then I have no idea why you were expressing your opinion on the reference desk under my question. BeefJeaunt 18:57, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] I was only joking

I was only joking, i hope u diden't really think i was planning to burn down embassys. I don't really advicate a retearn to the British Empire, but i am still convinced that the net effect of the British Empire has been positive (as i mentioned New Zealand woulden't even exist, and Malasia and much of the rest of the world have been graetly modernised). I don't think that having colonies is bad, only if you have them for the wrong reasons. --Boris Johnson VC 21:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My Bad

Sorry about my mistake about your comment on the reference desk. Thanks for being nice about it. I'll know better next time. BeefJeaunt 21:12, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use policy

You still don't understand what I'm trying to say. Because there are no legal reasons for fair use criterion 1, it cannot and should not carry the force which you are putting behind it, and nowhere- not in one word of the requirements as they are actually written. Put simply, the policy you suggest is downright absurd, and the restrictions you were trying to put on it do not yet exist in any written policy- the page you showed me is not yet official policy. The real policy page says that free images should be easily avalable, and any sane definition of easy is going to exclude crossing the globe to get it. Millions of people live in cities? well, I don't, and until the system for tagging desired to be replaced images is changed from, "we're going to delete this, you evil editor" to "this is listed on xyz page for a local to replace," I and only I am the only editor that matters. Requesting a free image is one thing. Threatening deletion to extort one from editors is beyond ridiculous, is not a helpful option. If you believe somthing is replaceable, replace it or list it somewhere for someone else to replace. Thanatosimii 14:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stalking.

You have recently made edits that I am concerned about. After commenting on the Ahmose image, you proceeded to contradict me [1] there and [2] there. However, those two pages have absolutly nothing in common except that I have made comments on policy to them. On an encyclopedia of 1.5 million articles, the chances that this would happen by fortune are so astronomically low that I can say with complete certainty that you're stalking me, and the fact that you say nothing except contradict me makes your behavior trollish. Stop. Thanatosimii 21:14, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Al Tikriti, the executed

Hi, are you an administrator? There are too many links for the above...

Barzan Al-Tikriti

Relevance: 100.0% - - Barzan al-Tikriti Relevance: 100.0% - - Barzan Ibrahim al-Tikriti Relevance: 89.5% - - Barzan Ibrahim Hasan al-Tikriti Relevance: 89.2% - - Watban Ibrahim Hasan al-Tikriti Relevance: 89.2% - - Barzan Ibrahim Hassan al-Tikriti

Relevance: 89.2% - - ,

So, we should link it into one, full name!

[edit] Your behavior

I have decided to rephrase myself, to expedite our cesassion of contact. Any validity to your beliefs has been entierly ruined by your tone and your lack of civility. Perhaps it's just the way you write things, as I see you have managed to irritate many people, however I do not believe any claim that you never had malice in your behavior for one reason. Put simply, "methinks the lady doth protest too much." Your behavior thus becomes both sanctimonious and patronizing.

I informed you from the very first post that I perfectly understand the rules and policy, and now you come running at me saying you think I've known them all along? I know them, but I find them unapplicable inasmuch as the critera for what is replacable are not yet an actual policy, and the spirit of the enforcement of criterion 1 is to avoid fair use images that are easily obtainable by large portions of society. You, on the other hand, interpret it stronger and then accuse me of desiring to break it. However, by not contesting the entierty of the fair use claim, you tacitly acknowledge that the image is beneficial, and by proposing deletion for an image that is beneficial in order to coerce someone to get another one, your interpretation is in fact in violation of POINT, however well intentioned you might be or whether or not you intended it. The entierty of your claim falls apart if someone does not hold your particular position on what is and what is not meant by the spirit of criterion 1, and the only "policy" which exists to define exactly what is and what is not replaceable has not passed consensus and therefore is not binding.

However, what you did next was uncalled for. Your assumption of bad faith on my part lead you to write several tirades on numerous pages, including my talk page, accusing me of all manner of evil. I'm sorry, but you can't come screaming and yelling and three sentances later say, "if I'm wrong, sorry." Also, you cannot go around trying to clean up other editors with whom you disagree, and despite your protestation, your words betray your true motives, and your comments obviously indicate that you didn't read much more than my own comment, since the first discussion was both taken care of and now dead, and the second discussion had nothing whatsoever to do with a biography of a living person, and your comment was entierly irrelevant to the situation, except to contradict me on a technicality. You have a penchant for parting shots as well, and that cannot be charecterized as in good faith either.

I have extreme wikistress due to your incivility, so here's the simple version. Although under stress some of my words and points came out sounding wrong, I have only ever intentionally argued against the current interpretations of replaceability, and since I do not share your pov and there is no actual policy advocating your pov, your current remarks and behavior have been entierly uncalled for, as have been your three attempts at parting shots. I have extreme wikistress and put up a sign directed at you saying "I'm not calm enough to interact with editors right now, so go away" and you still put up a parting shot, making your behavior even more inappropriate. The sign is still up, and I expect you to abide by it. Thanatosimii 21:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Long live the British Empire

I know u said u didden't want to hear from me again, but u made several points which i feel duty bound to respond. I do fundimentally agree with u that the British empire was created to increase Britains power, although it's creaters did believe that they where helping local people, as was the case. However i strongly disagree with u that third world countrys would have modinised without the help of the empire, they where for better or worse still stuck in their old ways, and the british empire brought them stability and modernisation. Also countrys created by the British empire such as New Zeland would certainly not have existed without us, and New Zealand would be like parts of Indonesia with a few small tribes sitting on an island.

I think that the main reason that the third world countrys are not greatful for the British empire is out of the embarrisment that they needed it's help, and they tend to ignore all of its benifits. --Boris Johnson VC 09:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Random Smily

For your contributions to Wikipedia and humanity in general, you are hereby granted the coveted Random Smiley Award
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(Explanation and Disclaimer)

Jerry lavoie 23:48, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Muhammad mediation

Hi and thanks. I'm by no means the most eloquent debater or most knowledgeable person... but, I think my graduate school training has helped / is helping. User:Zora and I often end up going back and forth--annoying many Muslim editors by our views and then annoying whichever other side is clashing with them on other occasions. I'd like to think that's because we're doing a good job :) --gren グレン 15:25, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help desk edits

As you know, you removed content here, at the Wikipedia:Help desk. Thanks for correcting it! Just to tell you, the reason that happened was probably because the MediaWiki software ignored the edit conflict. A lot of odd things have been happening today with the server and database... GracenotesT § 18:17, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kewl!!

Love your username. Very clever :) Shouldn't it be "Níl Éinne" though? - Alison☺ 19:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC) (being pedantic)

[edit] MizsaBot

When you removed the wedernabot code from the main page, you mentioned somthing about a MizsaBot. What is it, as I cannot find anything about it anywhere? ffm yes? 21:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed your note on the main page. Please disregard the above comment. ffm yes? 21:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Khalid Sheikh Mohammed

He can continue to vandalize the page because he's basing his assertions around his opinion. I'm done with the issue but he still failed the rules of citing his sources. While the government transcript shows "Plaza Center", I've already demonstrated a link from KIRO News [3], he seems to blow past that argument and refuse to accept any other versions. He's a new user which I'm constantly patrolling for changes that are unwarranted or fails wikipedia's rules. ViriiK 07:59, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I know, I'm backing off and letting the issue go to someone else. You were correct I violated 3RR because I still believed I was correct in my actions. Thank you though. ViriiK 08:12, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Official government transcript is from http://www.defenselink.mil/news/transcript_ISN10024.pdf - that states Plaza Bank. You're the one getting a edited version from a TV channel! HighTouch 08:04, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Apology

I apologise for my behvaiour. I agree that I shouldn't have posted my views like that. Though I still won't budge from that opinion. It is a pain to see Pakistani wikipedians contribute almost nothing for Pakistan WikiProject(they have only 1 featured article) but come around vandalising India articles or creating unnecessary debates about petty things in India-related articles. If the hard work of Indians pays off on the main page they have an objection. Not only myself but several other Indians have become sick and tired of this nonsense.

I am not sure whether the admins have noticed this destructive mentality.

However I agree that such views should not be posted publicly.Maquahuitl

[edit] Re: T:MP Pageblanking

Sorry, I was trying to test it on another wiki, and I accidentally used the wrong parameter. ffm ✎talk 15:43, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Talk main page archive bot

Yes, in retrospect I think the random unsigned nonsense comments were what was keeping the cricket discussion from being archived. All the comments in the past few days have pretty much been off topic and not useful, (The last one was extolling the virtues of football!) so its best that it was archived anyway. I usually do a once monthly clean up of talk main page regardless of the bots, as they tend to leave edit artefacts about. Yeah I was wondering about the bot's archive size limit, as it was above the warning level already. I poked around to see if I could find the code that changes that, but couldn't. --Monotonehell 08:50, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ian Thorpe image

Site appears user created & uses other images which prob don't belong 2them - may be true. But how to be sure? By contacting the site? Ok, that's ideal, I admit. But, when they have clearly written their license (cc attribution sharealike 2.5) IMO there is no legal or even ethical issue if it's used by wikipedia. Anyway, I am not much aware of these issues. Was elated to have found out one usable image :) Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 13:42, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks. Basically I am yet to understand the scopes and use of CC correctly :) Anyway, the sad thing is today's Today's Featured Article goes image-less :) Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 14:22, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Would it be possible

Hi, those images are not identical, but very simmilar. Only difference is the background (the deleted one just have a solid black background) and the deleted image is also slightly bigger. Other than that they very simmilar, would not be supriced if one was derived from the other. --Sherool (talk) 22:47, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NFL Draft

There are two types of players available in the draft:

  • Those who have completed their four years of college eligibility and are automatically eligible for the draft.
  • Those who are at least three years out of high school and have declared themselves eligible for the draft, forfeiting their remaining college eligibility.

There are thousands of players in the first category, the vast majority of whom are not likely to be chosen or play football professionally. Even though someone whose college career is over doesn't need to declare himself eligible, it would be very strange for someone not interested in playing in the NFL to be drafted. Teams generally speak to potential draftees before the draft, and it would be common knowledge that a player was uninterested in playing profesionally.

(A footnote: The very first NFL draft pick, 1935 Heisman Trophy winner Jay Berwanger, was uninterested in pro football and never signed with the team that drafted him. That was back when pro football players didn't make a lot of money and the draft was not nearly as scientific as it is today.)

This article in the Cincinnati Post explains what happened to the 479 people in the second category from 1990 to 2002:

  • 322 were drafted
  • 65 were not drafted but signed with NFL teams as undrafted free agents
  • 96 were not drafted and were not signed by an NFL team

As mentioned above, there is no official definition of "draft prospect." A PR guy at a small college might define his team's star player as a "draft prospect" in the team media guide, but that may just mean he's got an outside chance of being drafted at all. My personal opinion would be that any college player who is likely to be drafted is "notable," since there has undoubtedly a great deal of publicity written about him. Finally, it's relatively uncommon for players to be physically present during the draft, which lasts two days. Usually, players watch on TV and wait to get a phone call. -- Mwalcoff 23:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] For your disinformation on Talk:Main Page givrn to a vandal.....

.....here's a barnstar!!

The Barnstar of Good Humor
For your hilarious disinformation given to a vandal on Talk:Main Page, I, Steptrip, award you The Barnstar of Good Humor.  ~Steptrip 16:53, 5 April 2007 (UTC)




Hope you like it.  ~Steptrip 16:53, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use image

Hi Nil, I as a euston manifesto signitory have fair use rights of this as well wikipedia's fair use rights. As i understand it you as a normal wikipedian could not have this image on your talk page, but i have been personnally given permission to use this image on any blog or webpage of mine. Sorry for taking so long to reply but i have very limited net access at this time so it may be a while before i reply to your answer. Hypnosadist 15:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok i see the reason and it has been removed. Hypnosadist 16:24, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question about edit summary

Howdy! In this edit, you described the user whom you reverted as being a 'banned user'. I didn't see anything to that effect on the IP's user talk page, who is it? - CHAIRBOY (☎) 22:15, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Your recent edit to Cho Seung-hui (diff) was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to recognize and repair vandalism to Wikipedia articles. If the bot reverted a legitimate edit, please accept my humble creator's apologies – if you bring it to the attention of the bot's owner, we may be able to improve its behavior. Click here for frequently asked questions about the bot and this warning. // MartinBot 18:56, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

For those wondering what I was doing, well the page had been majorly screwed up (someone had copied and pasted rather then moving resulting in the revision being worked on lacking the previous history) and I realised we need to fix it ASAP. So I was trying to stop all existing work until it was fixed Nil Einne 21:39, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cho Seung-hui

Are you online? There is a major problem that needs attention at [4] Nil Einne 18:58, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I saw the same thing and was trying to fix it. Angr fixed it. --PFHLai 19:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes I noticed that and striked out my message on the board. The talk page is still a bit of a mess but I've informed angr Nil Einne 19:14, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
CanadianCaesar has fixed that, too. --PFHLai 19:21, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi! I just added more info on Korean name system under Seung-hui Cho's discussion page, lets discuss more about it!, BTW where abouts in NZ you from? I'm also a Kiwi! it's great to see a fellow NZer on Wiki! lol Luckyj 09:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Straw poll

You expressed opinions on the reordering of Cho Seung-hui's name. Please vote in the straw poll on renaming him in Wikipedia here. --Dynaflow 06:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Montenegrin Orthodox Church vs. Serbian Orthodox Church

I wouldn't call an angry mob of hundreds and hundreds of people practically starting a civil war "just idiots doing stupid things". --PaxEquilibrium 23:43, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


[edit] 88.110/111

Regarding your comments about IP 88.110/111. Pretty much all comments on the Ref Desk from that range are banned user Light current (talk · contribs). I have been attempting to curtail his trolling by reverting and blocking on sight, though I have been hindered in that by certain other Ref Desk editors with a history of collaboration with Light current (see this discussion which was recently deleted from said editors talkpage). If you see any contributions from this IP that are consistant with LC's MO, then feel free to revert per WP:BAN. I have been thinking about reporting the abuse to his ISP, however LC has already been taunting admins that that will not work (see User_talk:Friday#Game_Over. I believe he would actually change his IP and continue the trolling even if we did. Rockpocket 01:08, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for help regarding photos in the Nambassa article

Hi Nil. Seeking your advice here. Please refer to this statement by you on the Wikipedia: New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board, regarding a solution to reduce the number of photos in the Nambassa article by having these available on a commons gallery instead thus reducing the size of the primary article. [5]

Quote. Nil “I disagree with that. If we have high res photos under a suitable license, there is no reason to downsize them. You could produce alternative versions if necessary but IMHO don't delete or modify any images, unless you're sure you've increased the quality. However the photos would be best kept on the commons not wikipedia IMHO. I would suggest the photos not used inline in the article be removed from the article. Link to the commons gallery instead with all the photosNil Einne 16:14, 22 December 2006 (UTC)”

How does one link the photos into a "commons gallery" (what is this gallery) and yet be able to access them if required with a link from the inline article. Thanks kindly, please advise. Mombas 11:02, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE: User name

My name is Josh Holloway, and just because some Californian actor has the same name as me, I don't think I should have to change my username. I'm 18 years old and from the UK and think it's very reasonable to use my real name on Wikipedia. I am fully aware of the naming policy and would argue that confusion etc would not be likely. Thanks. JoshHolloway 20:37, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi !

Well, answer on my talk page. Ericd 12:34, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your edits

I would kindly ask you not to further vandalise Wikipedian pages like you did to Nissan. Such vandalism will not be accepted. 64.230.41.86 00:55, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh sorry, my deepest regrets. I must have made a mistake.65.93.161.31 00:31, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Prononciation

How is your username pronounced? ffm ✎talk 11:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reference desk

As a response to today's trolling, I did suggest that he use the time machine to go back to make sure that his parents didn't have any kids, either. Corvus cornix 18:57, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Ah okay then, at least it makes more sense. Not that s/he didn't deserve it Nil Einne 19:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Whilst

Though I was speaking somewhat tongue-in-cheek, the Whilst page itself gives good reason for the preference of "while". Quoting:

Whilst is synonymous with while in standard British English; in American English, it can be considered pretentious or archaic. In their style guides, modern publications on both sides of the Atlantic deprecate its use (along with "amidst" and "amongst"), for example:

  • Times Online Style Guide: [6]: "while (not whilst)"
  • Guardian Style Guide: [7]: "while not whilst"
  • Hansard: [8] PDF, the Canadian Parliament record.

Fowler's Modern English Usage deprecates several uses of "while". At times it is inappropriately used as a conjunctive: actual conjunctions like "and" should be used instead. Its usage as "elegant variation" is also discouraged, as it is masquerading as a "formal word".[1]

End quote. Wikipedia definitely doesn't need any more pretension or archaism. But in accordance with the Manual of Style, I still only change it when it's inconsistent with the rest of the article - which is surprisingly often. (Additional edit: I have just noticed that the Whilst page is itself a redirect - to the While page.  ;) )

Vonspringer 17:53, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Whiteboard vs. felt-tip pen

Hi, still no success to report. DuncanHill 20:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:IE6-rounded.PNG

As you observed on WP:VPT, the copyright status of this image is incorrect, and it probably shouldn't be here on Wikipedia for copyright reasons. I suggest that you should crop the image to just the content generated by Wikipedia, minus the sidebar; then I think {{Wikipedia-screenshot}} would be a valid free-use licence as long as you gave a link to the version of the template that you took a screenshot of (and you could then place {{db-author}} to request the deletion of the badly-licenced picture). Hope that helps! --ais523 16:31, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I actually thought of that and cut the image to only show the rounded portions but I was still slightly concerned at the time that simply showing how IE rendered the templates could be considered as showing the "interface". (I later realised this was rather unlikely.) So I decided it best to just upload it as unlicensed and let it be deleted since I didn't feel it was really necessary in the long term anyway. Then I uploaded the wrong image but since I was planning to let it be deleted I just let it be :-P But as you and another editor feel otherwise I've changed to the other one which should be completely free Nil Einne 21:34, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gnome

Its running now collecting data :) —— Eagle101Need help? 20:10, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your name

Hi, don't know if you noticed, but I answered your question at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language#nil einne (or éinne) - who recognises this? & Irish speakers. —Angr 07:25, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] possible typo?

I noticed that at "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:65.15.77.18" there is a place where it says "[...] waste an incredibly amount of time [...]". Wouldn't this sound less clumsy with the word "incredibly" changed? Suggestions: [1] "[...] waste an incredibly large amount of time [...]"; [2] "[...] waste an incredible amount of time [...]"; ...Please feel free to delete this "possible typo?" section, if/when (actually, whether or not) you decide to act upon it. Just my 0.02, Mike Schwartz 01:30, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

On a similar note - - at a related page, (Talk:Subprime_mortgage_financial_crisis), I found the phrase "IMHO in cases like these was have to be stern Nil Einne 22:08, 11 August 2007 (UTC)". Shouldn't that say "we have to be stern" instead of "was [...]"? Just another picayune nitpick, from: Mike Schwartz 01:36, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why are.. (ref desk)

Since it's not really suited for the ref desk, I'll explain here: basically the problem is that the bot was set to like, 6 days, and people were complaining that weekend editors might miss topics altogether, but then the bot's owner was complaining that any page over 100kb is insanely huge apparently in his opinion. It's utterly ridiculous, but I guess one side was trying to make a veiled accusation of "hiding debates" that the other side didn't like. Anyway, thanks for replying Kuronue 01:51, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Michael Berryman

Thanks for spotting that. I'm sure I checked the talk page, but found nothing.--Drat (Talk) 20:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A*

Hmm. You have a good point. I always did ask my History teacher many questions, and if he had not given me the A star, I doubt I would have left him alone. I suppose we will never know...lolTourskin 06:39, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

The Barnstar of Good Humor
You made me laugh and lightened up the discussion so I think you deserve this. Wear it with Pride, eh, every time you walk down the street. Tourskin 06:41, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
I seriously don't know why I gave you this now. You don't deserve it if you are gonna bash me in every discussion about the level of detail I give. I will continue to discuss and I know that you will continue to pester me, but thats ok, I'll just ignore you from now onwards. Tourskin 21:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
To be honest, I'm not really sure what you're complaining about. I admit, I was being a bit mean when I addressed your Taiwan in China comment but since you'd previously nitpicked on my comment I didn't see any harm. I do consider it important to draw a distinction between the PRC and ROC as I said, and probably would have addressed your comments about China had it not been from you anyway. Really when someone says "Taiwan isn't part of China" they're just asking for it IMHO. That is the only time when I have 'pestered' you so to speak so I'm not sure why you're so worked up about this. I may have responded to some of your other comments but in most cases I didn't notice it was you responding and even if I did, the fact it was you was irrelevant. I often address comments when I disagree with them and I also address comments when I feel they are flawed even if I agree with the main point. Anyway I apologise for any offence since none was intended. Although to be honest, I couldn't give a flying flip if you ignore me. But a word of advice, it might help if you learn to follow threads and learn to indent properly since discussions can get very confusing when you don't indent properly and don't follow threads properly. Cheers Nil Einne 10:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Ok well I didn't know about the thread thing. I suppose you mean that if you indent at the same "level" as the previous guy, you agree with him? Interesting. And as for the China thing, you have to be a bit more realistic. I know that encyclopedias are all about accuracy, but how many people do you think have heard of the word "Republic of China"? Few. Many News reporters these days use the more common and more informal term Taiwan. Perhaps due to political correctness wanting to mention only one China. In support of this statement, I would also like to say that the PRC is more commonly referred to as CHINA! Lol but true?
The word China itself is ambiguous with these two countries. However, when compared with Taiwan, as I had attempted to do, there is no confusion. The media often uses these words and it is not confusing to most nowadays.
In effect, your comments were a preemptive attempt to clear any future confusion as to what I was saying. I guess that is admirable but it could have been nicer, but you have already apologized so I guess I've given a long enough story. I thank you or your apology. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tourskin (talk • contribs) 16:39, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] James Milner

Thank you for your respones. Now my next question is, would you advice I nominate this article yet or should I wait and if so how long? Buc 16:36, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reference desk comment

Howdy, Nil Einne. I wanted to point out this RD/Science edit and ask you to refrain from making such comments in the future. Regardless of whether the OP is a medical student, the comment is just plain rude and doesn't help answer the question in the least. Thanks, David Iberri (talk) 20:12, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Personal Attacks

It seems that in your edit summary for the Myanmar article, you refered to another user as an 'idiot' please be aware of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks and keep such thoughts to yourself. The fact that they tried to change Myanmar to Burma without discussion, and it got reverted, should be enough - there is no need to resort to personal attacks.Sennen goroshi 18:03, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

When I made the change I though the only change they had made had been to claim that the Union of Myanmar was an unofficial name. I do think such a change is stupid and anyone who makes such a change is either hopelessly misinformed or a POV pushing idiot. So while the comment may not have been worded as best as it could, I make no apologies nor will I change my behaviour in this regard in the future. It is fairly rare I comment so bluntly on behaviour in any case. Indeed your IMHO overeaction makes me more reluctant to do so (I'm not saying this to start a fight just pointing out that as NPA says it's usually best to ignore the occasianal borderline comment). If you check out the comment I made to the specific contributor when I realised what had happened, you will see that I was resonably polite about the bigger issue when I realised what it was. Cheers Nil Einne 06:36, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
it's not too hard to edit wikipedia, without resorting to personal insults - you may well think that editor was an idiot and I might also think someone was an idiot for trying to get away with such a blatant edit (or they may just be unaware of wikipedia policy regarding NPOV) but despite a million and one retarded edits, i won't resort to using a personal insult, I might accuse someone of bias, but as far as im concerned that is relevant to editing wikipedia. but to tell the truth, i dont really care, i would happily remove the no personal insults rule, its not as if the word idiot offends me, i use far worse on a daily basis.Sennen goroshi 19:23, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Myanmar naming

Thanks for your efforts as well. It looks like a hopeless battle, though. Sadly, a vast number of Wikipedia editors come from the US and the UK and have never really been exposed to the term Myanmar outside of political discussions. Having had part of my education in the Philippines, the country has always been called "Myanmar" with "Burma" used only in the context of "the old name for Myanmar". People in Southeast Asia seem to have adopted the new name without any fuss. We'll see what happens in the next few days. --Polaron | Talk 00:41, 30 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Haizum

My problem with User:Haizum is not disagreement as such. He's entitled to his opinions. However his demeanor is uncivil and he has made no attempt to seek consensus before repeatedly reverting. The article as it stood last night represented a consensus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pleasantville (talk • contribs) 10:15, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I've previously met Haizum and I do find him frustrating to deal with at times. However in this specific case, it seems he did have some valid points. While I agree, it would have been better for him to fix the problems himself since they weren't that hard to fix; or at least say specifically what he wanted, IMHO since he did explain what he was complaining about it was best to just consider if he had a valid point and if he did, work out how to fix it. (If he didn't explain why you don't think there's a problem and wait for him and/or other's to respond.) Tags are after all there so that others can address issues which an editor is unable to deal with him/herself for whatever reason. AFAIK general consensus is to leave them there until the issue is dealt with or there is a resonable consensus that there is no valid issue. I looked into what he was complaing about and attempted to address it when I agreed there was a problem and he seems to be mostly satisfied. Remember the goal is to make a better article. My personal views are I think much closer to yours then his so it is helpful to get an alternative viewpoint which can sometimes notice stuff we may miss. While we could perhaps do without Haizum's manner, ultimately it's best to ignore it when possible. In any case most editors have their own flaws, I know I can sometimes get too rant-ish on talk pages Nil Einne 11:33, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reference Desk: Indonesia

In the discussion at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities#British Empire, you said "For example, it's perhaps not entirely the Dutch's fault that Indonesia achieved independence directly after WW2 after being occupied by Japan whereas Malaysia had a transition period." In case you are interested, I have replied to this comment, by going into detail on the way Indonesia became independent from the Netherlands. AecisBrievenbus 22:52, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] wikilang

do you disagree?? Hogne 20:22, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GSUSA

Thanks for the tip on this article and TFA issues. I've worked on the refs and others will help. Feel free to join the Scouting project! — Rlevse • Talk • 12:11, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LOTD proposal

You either voted on the original list of the day proposal or the revised version. A more modest experimental proposal is now at issue at WP:LOTDP. Feel free to voice your opinion.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:46, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dispute on FGC

Hi. I am having a dispute with a user on FGC. I noticed your previous contribution and hoped you might provide some third-party commentary on a dispute at Blackworm’s objections. Your opinion would be greatly appreciated. Thank You. Phyesalis (talk) 01:14, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] University Musical Society

Nil Einne, I am more than happy to create a new account if this allows me to create an article. Please advise me as to what I should do. Thank you! UniversityMusicalSociety (talk) 16:10, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Just FYI UniversityMusicalSociety has re-registered as Amyfing. I've moved the original talkpage and we'e discussing the article. Looking at http://www.ums.org this looks easily notable enough for an article - their Choral Union alone has a Grammy! Cheers, Tonywalton Talk 17:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC) (also placed on User talk:FisherQueen)

[edit] My Page

I hope you don't mind but I've tagged the above article to be deleted. As discussed in Talk:Westroads Mall shooting#Robert Hawkins seperate page, the killer tag is unsuitable ('shooter' or something would be better) and unnecessary since Robert A. Hawkins does the job fine. Also, the capitalisation of killer is unnecessary. Therefore, the page on a whole as a redirect seems unnecessary to me so I've tagged it. Cheers. Nil Einne (talk) 19:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Not at all... I agree. Gtstricky (talk) 19:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moved from your user page

Thank you for the detailed article. The reasons why I changed the tile Hebei Spitrit oil spill to a new title of 2007 Korea oil spill are as follows:

  1. Hebei Sprit is less known to readers than Korea oil spill. Mass media prefers to call it south korea oil spill rather than Hebei Spriti oil spill
  2. Unlike Exxon Valedez oil spil, for which Exxon Valdez was solely responsible, the title Hebei Spirit oil spill may give an unintended connotation that the VLCC Hebei Spirit is exclusively accountable for this disaster.
  3. The article I had started with the title of South Korea Oil Spill was moved to the article of Hebei Spirit oil spill you created later. Thank you for the good job, though.Chmyr (talk) 18:45, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pre-Meiji Period: Use of Japanese era name in identifying disastrous events

Would you consider making a contribution to an exchange of views at either of the following:

As you may know, Wikipedia:WikiProject Disaster management came up with entirely reasonable guidelines for naming articles about earthquakes, fires, typhoons, etc. However, the <<year>><<place> <<event>> format leaves no opportunity for conventional nengō which have been used in Japan since the eighth century (701-1945) -- as in "the Great Fire of Meireki" (1657) or for "the Hōei eruption of Mount Fuji" (1707).

In a purely intellectual sense, I do look forward to discovering how this exchange of views will develop; but I also have an ulterior motive. I hope to learn something about how better to argue in favor of a non-standard exception to conventional, consensus-driven, and ordinarily helpful wiki-standards such as this one. In my view, there does need to be some modest variation in the conventional paradigms for historical terms which have evolved in non-Western cultures -- no less in Wikipedia than elsewhere. I'm persuaded that, at least in the context of Japanese history before the reign of Emperor Meiji (1868-1912), some non-standard variations seem essential; but I'm not sure how best to present my reasoning to those who don't already agree with me. I know these first steps are inevitably awkward; but there you have it.

The newly-created 1703 Genroku earthquake article pushed just the right buttons for me. Obviously, these are questions that I'd been pondering for some time; and this became a convenient opportunity to move forward in a process of building a new kind of evolving consensus. --Ooperhoofd (talk) 18:28, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Grand jury (De Anza baseball

Re: your question, yes, a grand jury is most commonly a group of people that have been summoned for the express purpose of hearing such evidence as a prosecutor may want to present (I think that they usually they don't present all of their evidence) about a possible crime. The grand jury then, should they feel that there is sufficient evidence of a crime, can return an indictment, which provides a prosectuor with the ability to go forward with the charge. I think in some jurisdictions the indictment is required to go forward with a prosecution, while in others it is not required, but in all cases in gives the prosecutor political cover in pursuing the charge. In this case, I'm not sure what the grand jury determined. However, if, for example, the alleged victim was too intoxicated to remember anything about that night, it would be difficult for the prosecutor to overcome an alleged attacker who claim ed that there had been consenual sex. I think tha the prosecutor's decision not to go forward was based on something like that. Xymmax (talk) 06:11, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:SUBST

Argh! Remember to substitute yer templates! Just kidding, no biggy. Merry Christmas and cheers, Master of Puppets Care to share? 04:52, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peer Review for Blackwater Worldwide, please help!

Blackwater Worldwide, an article under this WikiProject, is up for Peer Review to move to Featured Article status. Please help out and offer up reviews, advice, or edits to the article or review at:

Thanks! Lawrence Cohen 14:42, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ok

thanks for that..but i think next time when you talk to somebody talk soft than that....i don't mean what you said.....all of us want learn how to talk to poeple. thx agian for this .--Osamahw (talk) 18:08, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I award you the "Barnstar of Fighting USA Electioncruft"

I agree. Although the increasingly front-loaded primary-season schedule means that the Iowa caucus and New Hampshire primary are the two most crucial events in the choosing of US presidential nominees, and whoever wins the two of them will almost certainly end up as one of the two people who have a chance of becoming the next US president, this caucus is basically NN. The United States of America, unlike Malta or the New England Patriots, is a fairly small nation whose president has had next-to-nil impact on the rest of the world for the last seven years. To me, the real question is whether we should be maintaining articles on local celebrities like Obama and Huckabee in the first place. Obama is a senator from Illinois, only one of fifty states, and Huckabee is a governor of another one of these states. To my mind, this sort of thing is basically electioncruft and primarily of local interest. It's unencylopedic to include this sort of shit, IMO. Who really cares who becomes the next president of that shit country? I don't really care if a bunch of major media outlets on other continents carried it as front page news - they probably feel obligated to do that, and no one really even wants to read it. Also, so what if Obama is black in a nation that has never had a black nominee before, and got a strong majority in a nearly all-white state? It doesn't really matter who wins; the winner will just be a puppet of the US corporate-military cabal behind the scenes. Bravo, Nil Einne and other men of character, for keeping this sort of information off the Wikipedia front page and limiting it to where it belongs: the front pages and lead stories of various fraudulent house organs of the international capitalist class, from the BBC to Der Spiegel. Now, how about those New England Patriots? Speaking of grievances that I have, why the extremely short run for the following important ITN item: "Queen Elizabeth II formally opens the new Channel Tunnel Rail Link and London's St Pancras terminus, the new home for Eurostar trains (pictured) linking London with Paris and Brussels." This seems like some heavy stuff. And yet it only ran for a few days on ITN, only about ten times longer than news of the likely US presidential nominees, despite being about one hundred times as important. WTF? 65.190.89.154 (talk) 22:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

In all of history, I have found only one example where an event in an ongoing and lengthy process of government formation was included in ITN: "Belgian King Albert II intervenes to take state reform off the table in the 2007 Belgian government formation, which has lasted a record five months." This is the only example, ever. To be honest, I only clicked on one historical version of ITN to conduct my search and found this example without any effort at all, but it is likely the only example of its kind. 65.190.89.154 (talk) 22:42, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
What I don't understand is why USA-Americans feel the obsessive need to dominate this encyclopedia with their own localism, just as they feel the need to dominate other countries. As long as USA-Americans are allowed to edit here unfettered, this encyclopedia will be no more than a compendium of their various local obsessions and complexes, as they understand little outside of their own borders. And as long as they are allowed to contribute to ITN, it will be cluttered with babbling about the lengthy process of their government formation, and free of important information about trains in England (=important country, very European these days), events in the lengthy process of government formation in Belgium, and the New England Patriots. I think we seriously need to consider some sort of action.65.190.89.154 (talk) 22:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Just a note, I blocked this IP after it left this happy message on my talk page. RyanGerbil10(Говорить!) 23:20, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Apologies for my outbursts, Nil Einne. I want to ntoe that I was being sarcastic and was attempting to protest the exclusion of the Iowa caucus information, which seemed like it was being done more to make a point than to serve the interests of WP. 65.190.89.154 (talk) 00:57, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Admin?

Are you interested in becoming a Wikipedia administrator? Given your length of involvement here, and the areas of Wikipedia that you frequent, you probably already have a very good idea of what that means, but you might like to review Wikipedia:Administrators anyway. For you, I think perhaps the big advantage would be the ability to edit the main page components such as the In the News section. Having another person regularly updating that section would be good for the encyclopedia. I understand that DYK needs more administrators regularly transferring material to the main page too.

Please give it some consideration, and if you're interested then reply here, or on my talk page. I'd be pleased to nominate you.-gadfium 20:28, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Bizarre, I was just stopping by to gauge the same thing, given you reasoned and intelligent responses at In the news and Errors... --Stephen 11:50, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi, sorry I haven't responded for a while... I've been considering this and I've finally decided I'm a bit too busy with both other stuff on wikipedia and real life stuff to bother at the moment. I thank you both and also Ferdia below for your support and when I get my other stuff sorted (which hopefully won't be too long), I'll let you know if I'm interested. Cheers and thanks again Nil Einne (talk) 20:38, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] That kids new section on the main page.

Hey Nil, you more then likely recognise me from the Main Page, you think I might have been a bit hasty deleting that IP Address/kids section on the Main Page? ~Ferdia O'Brien (T)/(C) 15:15, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't know. When I saw it I was originally going to post something to the AN asking someone else to respond because I was unsure what to say but decided in the end just to write something simple suggesting he/she seek help from an adult. By that time you'd removed it and I decided there was no point bringing it back, I might as well just reply on the talk page. Now that Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism/Bug ID 9213 has been fixed, it's most anons should notice messages on their talk page, provided they don't change IP. My personal opinion is that it's best if someone responds in some way, when someone, particularly a child, suggests they're having significant personal problems. And if you're not willing or not sure how to respond just post it somewhere like the AN/I. But those sort of messages can sometimes be magnets for people who like to make a joke of it so there's no harm in removing it (but it isn't essential either). I've seen one or two messages like the one you removed on the WP:RD before and there's at least one case somewhere else where someone sounded suicidal that I recall. I think in the suicide case there was a lengthy discussion without any real consensus on what to do. I just came across Wikipedia:Potentially suicidal users which provides some pointers. Of course the message didn't sound anywhere nearly as serious but I think some of the details apply (obviously stuff like contacting local authorities or the foundation isn't necessary). Nil Einne (talk) 17:35, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, that's not a million miles off of what I was thinking (the part about people making fun of him). BTW, I think you should respond to the fellows a couple blocks up, I think you'd make a good admin pal, if it goes to WP:RfA you've got my vote, you're work on the Main Page alone justifies it. ~Ferdia O'Brien (T)/(C) 09:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright of the ITN picture

I replied at WP:ERROR :) -- lucasbfr talk 12:45, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks a lot!

Even though I've asked for a standard on food packaging, your search strategy (Botulinum) and its subsequent results are nonetheless very helpful. Thank you very much. I would still be open to any other findings on food packaging standards, but for now this helps a great deal. I am still trying SpinningSpark's suggestion but alas you have to register and they haven't activated me yet :( . CheersRfwoolf (talk) 13:38, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments, good luck! Nil Einne (talk) 14:52, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] per your post on Talk:Kill Gil: Vols. 1 & 2

we made a list here of all the IPs, what can be done at ABREP? can they block the whole company that is doing the vandalism or what? Ctjf83talk 21:23, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Since this is coming from Telstra the largest Australian ISP, it is unlikely it will be blocked. What can be done via ABREP is the list of IPs, diffs and times can be compiled and this submitted as evidence to Telstra's abuse department. The actions of this person in repeatedly vandalising wikipedia in violation of our policies probably violate Telstra's terms of service so they will be entitled to warn or even remove his/her service. Whether they will actually do anything is a different matter. I don't know if abuse reports have ever been sent to Telstra. AFAIK, we tend to have the most success with schools and the like but a large Australian ISP is probably worth chasing up on. In any case, as it stands the list you have is probably good enough to be listed at Wikipedia:Abuse reports. However as I mentioned I think there are too many cases and not enough volunteers so the case may not necessarily get dealt with for a while if at all. You may want to read Wikipedia:Abuse reports/Guide to abuse reports to work out how to deal with it yourself (although still go thru ABREP just handle it yourself from there is best). Nil Einne (talk) 15:55, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok, thank you for that! Ctjf83talk 19:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I forgot all about this...what else can we do with the abuse report? Ctjf83talk 09:09, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Any answer? Ctjf83talk 17:53, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm impatiant :( Anyway, so I just e-mail the IP and link them to our abuse report page? Do IPs really do anything about this? I would think they wouldn't care about stuff like that, and are far to busy for it. Is that all we can do from a wiki standpoint? Ctjf83talk 18:59, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
What is their e-mail address? Ctjf83talk 15:47, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
If you could go here and see if this would be a good e-mail to send. Ctjf83talk 16:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Did you see the above post? Ctjf83talk 16:32, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Ok, thank you, It has been sent as you corrected...I'll let you know if i get any response Ctjf83talk 17:34, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Malaysia announcement

Hi there. I just want to announce that this month's collaboration will be ΦЏ Orang Asli ЏΦ. You are encouraged to participate in improving the quality of this article by however means you wish. I would suggest that our target by the end of the month would be for this article to achieve a Good Article status. Happy editing! kawaputratorque 13:43, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] A+

On Balloon physics – someone should give you an A+ for the answer IMHO, Nil Einne. Julia Rossi (talk) 07:11, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Personal attack

I won't take this matter any further unless you repeat it, but as I have already said in the talk page I suggest you take the time to read WP:NPA and in future please don't make personal attacks -137.222.107.59 (talk) 10:35, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Then please do not falsely accuse me of making a personal attack -137.222.107.59 (talk) 10:40, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
You're not "affiliated" with a foreign country, you live in a foreign country - a fact that's highly relevent when discussing your apparent knowledge of the European high-definition market. Please stop wikilawyering. -137.222.107.59 (talk) 10:44, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Remarks changed based on the fact you live in NZ, apologies -137.222.107.59 (talk) 10:44, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Which WP:VP? -137.222.107.59 (talk) 10:48, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Adminship request

Dear nil einne, As one of the users I come accross most frequently I would like to ask you to see if you would be willing to take the time to review some of my work and post your vote on my adminship request page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Camaeron). Thanks and keep up the good work! --Camaeron (talk) 14:32, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nonsense

What are you talking about? When you cite someone for doing something, it is polite to refer to the specific article in question as to avoid any sort of confusion, as I am experiencing now.

216.229.227.143 (talk) 01:35, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


You have me mistaken. I did not make those edits. I am on a public domain belonging to a public university. The only edits I made were on military articles, and those edits are completely valid and were made utilizing my experience from the USS Ronald Reagan. I don't know how this confusion of identity could be solved better. If you could enlighten me, I would be in your debt.

216.229.227.143 (talk) 01:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Everyman's Encyclopedia

In your non free book cover tag you state that the publisher is Alfred A Knopf. This may be true of Everyman's Encyclopedia published in the USA. However the copy that was scanned was an original UK published version & consequently the copyright is held by Weidenfeld and Nicolson or the descendants of J M Dent. In other aspects the tag is correct

DonJay (talk) 02:34, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:AUK

WikiProject Auckland This is an invitation to WikiProject Auckland, a WikiProject which aims to develop and expand Wikipedia's articles on Auckland. Please feel free to join us.

Taifarious1 09:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Archive...?

Hey Nil, just a comment, you might consider archiving your talk page, as it is pretty long. Best regards, SpencerT♦C 00:02, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sanity check

Hi. Can I get some advice, please? Am I going overboard on Flag of Armenia? I consider the copyright thing quite important, but Crzycheetah seems to be struggling to see where I'm coming from and I'm starting to wonder if I'm making a fuss over nothing. I'd appreciate your view - here, on my talk page or at the flag talk page, as appropriate. Cheers. 4u1e (talk) 10:17, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Don't worry if you don't have time to go into it in more depth, I just wanted to check I wasn't going competely off at a tangent. Cheers. 4u1e (talk) 11:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)