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[edit] Flax

Removed this phrase: "Thie Nile als provided flax for trade. The flax consisted largely of wheat, a crucial crop in the Middle East..." and replaced it with "The Nile also provided flax for trade. Wheat was also traded, a crucial crop in the Middle East..." Someone might find a better way to phrase that, but since flax is not a grain, it was important to change this. The flax plant (genus Linum) is a source of oil and fiber (see [1]). "Flax" is not a general term for grain, as it was used in the deleted sentence.

[edit] "Nelios"?

Contributed by the august 209.233.19.9, the claim is made that "ddddffgdnd8olgreen day ighsy com ingsdfrwbv ytuas I can tell:

  • The word Nile comes to us by way of Latin from Greek "Neilos" (Νειλος), not "Nelios"
  • (This may be an ordinary typo, as there doesn't seem to be a Greek word "nelios", either with epsilon or eta.)
  • This word only appears to mean "Nile", not "river valley". (Perhaps it meant "river valley" in the language the Greeks borrowed it from?)

Can anyone shed some light on this? If not, "Nelios" should be respelled and the information on meaning removed. —Muke Tever 23:21, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)hello pple!

At some point, I'd like to see added the fact that the source of the Nile was a mystery to which explorers as ancient as Heroditus and as modern as David Livingstone devoted a good portion of their lives to no avail. I don't know when the real source was discovered, but suffice it to say that the debate still caused quite a row even up to the 1880s, especially in places like the Royal Geographical Society. Debates on the subject attracted crowds of Londoners and incited other explorations. as you can see, i stink, so there for i am.

[edit] Explorations

Its very odd to me that the article makes no mention of the 19th century (and earlier) explorations of the nile. Fawcett5 15:13, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I know, it's been on my to-do list forever... Stan 16:53, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
There's a lot of stuff like this that needs to be added: how the ancients confused the Niger River with the Nile, adding the Mountains of the Moon, the ancient Greek's fascination not only with the fact this river flowed from the south to the north (the only such river they knew of), but that it flooded in summer, not winter, as did other rivers. I'd happily add these items, but I'm not quite sure how people would react to the resorting of this article these additions would require. -- llywrch 22:15, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Go for it - sounds like a "The Nile in history" section to me. Stan 06:21, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)th bills are cool

The Ripon Falls should be so spelt, not Rippon - the Earl of Ripon...Korsowan 00:55, 26 August 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Korsowan (talk • contribs)

  • Changed. Thanks for pointing this out, and don't forget WP:BOLD! --Old Moonraker 06:06, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Terminology

There is a section named Branches. Would Tribiutaries not be better here? Phoenix2 02:43, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wildlife?

How come there is no mention about the animal life and ecosysytem of the river.The Nile Salt water crocodile is supposed to be one of the most dangerous crocs in the world!--Jayanthv86 17:41, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible vandalism?

'The word "Nile" ('nIl) comes from the word Neilos (Νειλος), a Greek name for the old wakawakachangchang, the old misty lady, the old wakatoomba, in traditional maori."

How can it be possible that the Ancient word for a Great River in Classical society is derrived from on complete unrelated language spoken by people who lived beyond the then known world. In my opinion it is impossible that a Maori culture influenced Ancient Greek.

This knowdegde let me to conlude that this is some kind of vandalism, of that this entry is done by somewone who did not have an appropiate source.

Therefore I think that this part should be deleted: .Greek name for the old wakawakachangchang, the old misty lady, the old wakatoomba, in traditional maori

Think again: wakawakachangchang-wakatoomba. They might be some words form an existing languages, but I find it suspicious at least. Someone must test them to check the use of correct Polynesian.

I am not an native speaker of English, I speak it more than acceptable, however there are still many words I spell wrong (most of the time only slighty) and I do have a few problems with some grammar. I am Dutch and also participate in the Dutch wiki. However I do have some specific knowledge that might be valuable for the English wikipeda. You will see that I do not create articles very often, but the ones I did took some hard work, trying to have them in correct english as good as I can. Because I do not often have the time to do so, the number of valuable contributions from my hand are quite low. However, when times alows me I will try to write large articles suitable for wikipedia, although they will need thorough screening to correct it. (examples: the Carnivora entry on phylogeny have well been tought out en I believe improved the overall quality of the article.

I have much more to do, but the dutch wiki (which keeps going, which is great)has my priority, but i know there are a lot of English articles that i can improve (especialy in evolutionairy relationships and astronomy). But I am reluctant to do it, because I know that my 'first draft' articles are scientificly correct (however sometimes controversial), but when finished they will be full with (mostly minor) violatians with standard English.

Perhaps a strange story to tell here, but I couldn't come with a better one to post my goings on wikipedia. DaMatriX 00:29, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

So don't be to critical on my posts

You're right, it's just vandalism. There are an amazing number of losers who think it's clever to mess up articles in various ways. Fixed up now. Stan 05:38, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible Vandalism

Some one has been changing the White and Blue Nile to Orange and Green Nile. I'm changing it back but, the same person has done it more than once today.

[edit] The length of the Nile

The recent expedition to determine the length of the Nile follows on approach to the problem. It is commonly accepted that the nile may have thousands of sources. The new measurement was well recorded along the route. Every river has a catchment area which is determined by the topography of region at a particular point in time. The source of the river may appear to change from time to time, depending on the most recent rainfall patterns in the region. It would be nice to know how far, as the crow flies, the mouth of the Nile is from the most extreme point of its catchment area. Gregorydavid 05:46, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Repeated vandalism

by anon users is making a potential CD article into an article of ridicule. If one assumes good faith, one might think it's just a bunch of vandals, not racists, but the repeated and continued vandalism makes one pause to think. So now, get 100 edits under your belt before editing this; anyone with fewer may request edits on the talk page, of course. Carlossuarez46 21:46, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but that template is (well, was, I deleted it to avoid more misunderstandings) just bogus. There's no such thing as protecting by edit-count. There were some early discussions on having such a feature, but it was turned down. Sprotection is based on time since account creation (4 days) only. And just inserting a template doesn't protect an article. Many people seem to think so, but an admin has to protect it. Requests for such can be made on Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Personaly I don't see the level of vandalism on this page to be so high that sprotection is required at the moment. Shanes 12:30, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nile River

Who out there calls it the Nile River? The proper English is "River Nile" - please!

The Americans do, who outnumber the English. (I'm an Anglophile, but that's just how it is...) —Ƿōdenhelm (talk) 03:48, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New Nile/Second Nile

Does anyone know about the project to build a second Nile? Its supposed to be connected to some river in the western desert. I think its called the New Valley project or something.--Elatanatari 20:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

NVMND--Elatanatari 20:55, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean the Great Manmade River--Tarawneh 20:35, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
No, I found it:New Valley Project--Elatanatari 16:28, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Longest river

I've reverted the claim that "most authorities regard it as the longest river on Earth". As well as being a hideous weasel statement, it's not even true - most serious references, including the Guinness book of records, frame this issue in a discussion over what defines "longest". From furthest source to furthest mouth (of the delta) the Amazon would appear to be longer. Hence the debate. See List of rivers by length and [2] for details on this. SteveRwanda 09:25, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why White and Blue Nile?

happened to see why white nile and blue nile get their names respectively. I tend to diagree with the statements cause white nile is relatively free of sediments since it pass through various lakes and the flow is steady, but the blue nile which is also black, takes sedimients of the mountain after the rains and then dissolves them in Khartoum and makes them very distinct in coulours. SO have changed it that way. If you want citation i can give them too.

--Challiyan 13:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Challiyan - can you give the citation you're talking about please? I've reverted your changes for now, since the text didn't seem to make sense. Are you saying there's no clay sediment in the White Nile? Where do the names White and Blue come from then? Cheers — SteveRwanda 13:42, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

it is simple logic. Sediments that Blue nile carry is because of the rain falls in summer and floods in Lake tana.The white nile seldom floods, its always a stady flow but it is the reason the nile don;t dry in other seasons, and its realatively white in colour. the difference is only apparent at the confluence when the clay, which is black in colour is mixed up with the white nile which carries less sediments. I am not saying there is no sediments in white nile.. do you want references now?

WHITE NILE., The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition 2006

Alan Moorehead: the white nile: Harper publications --Challiyan 15:26, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed text

There's one piece of information that was removed some time back. I don't know whether it was an accident or intentional. Some of it seems POV, so I didn't add it back immediately; in any case, if it's intentional, then there's still some of the text still left in the current version.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nile&diff=75932049&oldid=75931866

218.186.9.4 12:36, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Crypto-Nile

I first read about the Crypto-Nile many years ago, I believe in an Almanac. The section in this article on the Crypto-Nile appears to be an almost direct quote from that source. The same statement can be found in several places on the net, but they are all worded almost exactly the same way, and appear to have originated from one source. But I remain skeptical, since I have never seen a citation to any particular study, scientist, research group, or the like backing this up. If the crypto-river was discovered using radioisotopes, the discoverers should have left a paper trail in the scientific literature, which I have not found. I'm not saying the claim is false, just that it's suspiciously undocumented. Vegasprof 02:49, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Nobody has come up with a citation for this piece of information, which User:Guinnog tagged with a {{fact}} request on 2006-10-16. I suspect a hoax (it's six times bigger than the river on the surface, believe it or not) or a misunderstanding of the Eonile by an IP user and I am inclined to delete, subject to other editors' views. I would be very happy to be proved wrong about this startling piece of information! Old Moonraker 08:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I do not know the origin of this story, but it is mentioned in an article in TIME magazine on August 25, 1958: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,868735,00.html That article does not contain a citation, and contains a blatant factual error, namely that the Dead See is 1800 feet below sea level (it's actually 412.5 m, according to http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2002/8/The%20Red%20Sea%20and%20the%20Mediterranean%20Dead%20Sea%20canals) so I do not think the TIME article can be trusted. Vegasprof 09:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
1800ft could be a proof-reading error for 1300ft (~400m); the Crypto-Nile reference cannot be dismissed on those grounds (although the concept sounds somewhat fishy to me). 82.36.26.229 13:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I am making a serious attempt to source the claim. I'll report as soon as I find out something. Vegasprof 21:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Guys --- the source of this claim is almost certainly the Guinness Book of Records. The 1985 paperback edition refers to a subterranean river flowing under the Nile with a volume six times that of the surface Nile.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.73.23.235 (talk • contribs) 17:26, 10 March 2007.
Tagged for six months now, but nobody has found a reliable source (pun) for this statement — removed. As before, I would still be very happy to be proved wrong about this startling piece of information! --Old Moonraker 07:54, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Sorry that I haven't been more diligent in checking it out. Guiness 1985 may have it, but it appeared in a 1958 issue of Time Magazine, so it's older than that. I still don't believe it, although it would be very interesting if it were true. If it turns out to be verfied, eventually, we can put it back in. Vegasprof 23:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kayaks down the nile

I am reading about a group who went from the headsprings of the Kagera river in the Rutana region of Burundi. They traveled the distance in kayaks in 1950. The story was published by the BYU Press, under the title "Kayaks down the Nile," in 1979. The author, John Goddard, and two others traveled the length of the river, suffering greatly and nearly dying a number of times. I think this should be included, but I don't know anything about the trip spoken off and claiming to be the first down the entire length of the river in 2004, 54 years after this man's trip. Can someone tell me what is correct? Thanks...

Irnoham 21:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)Ryan Taylor

[edit] Basin Map

This article is missing a map of the basin or watershed. Compare to for the Congo river. Kevlar67 04:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I created one for the Nile as well: Image:Nile_watershed_plain.png and Image:Nile_watershed_topo.png – you can include it where it fits. Imagico 12:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

The article refers to Stanley as American. He was Welsh. I would change this, but I am not a regular user and do not know how. Even the wikipedia article on Stanley identifies him as Welsh.

[edit] Stanley was Welsh, not American

Text of article is incorrect. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.120.205.175 (talk) 18:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC).

6,695 km is 4160 mi not 4180 mi

stanley is syrian not welsh or american

[edit] Stanley's African journeys

H M Stanley made two journeys to Central Africa. The first in 1871 was to find Livingstone. It was during the second (1874-77) that he circumnavigated Lake Victoris and discovered its outflow, presuming correctly that it would eventually become the Nile. JOLinton 20:11, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] For some reason there is nothing about Aswan hydroplant

I am sure it refers more directly to the article then judaism ;).

[edit] Nile _Begin

where does the nile begin ??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.42.21.154 (talk) 16:16, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Nile River

It is in Ancient Egypt and it is the longest river in the world. It is 6695km (4184miles). There is animals there and it grows plants. So there is more to it but that is all I know about the Nile River —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.239.76.233 (talk) 04:28, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

The Nile is now actually considered the second longest river, next to the amazon.[3]63rd 06:43, 24 October 2007 (UTC) How do I edit the front page? I wanted to include this information, or can someone do it for me?63rd 03:55, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I love animals! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.82.1.126 (talk) 02:15, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wildlife

How about adding a section on flora and fauna of the river? The Zambezi River article has a section on the wildlife of its river. Dogru144 (talk) 07:07, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

there is a research going on to confirm that the amazon river is longer than the nile river but it is not confirmed yet(----)

[edit] ancient egyptians

did the ancient egyptians know the source of the nile--Mikmik2953 (talk) 19:33, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merger complete

Information from Evolution river nile sudan (so spelled) has been merged into The integrated Nile section of this article; the former article now redirects to that section. Cheers. – Liveste (talk • edits) 12:10, 15 March 2008 (UTC) all beans have a 10 fart gaurntee —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.118.222.167 (talk) 13:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)