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The Rainbow Party sinks to reductio ad Hitlerum

Have you seen this official statement from the Rainbow Party? Apparently, KKE criticised this event and Rainbow is calling them "national socialists". I guess that's the easiest way to "refute" an argument, don't refute it and call those advancing it "Nazis". --Dexippus (talk) 17:14, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

These ultranationalists at Rainblow Pratty have no shame. Although it must be admited that these guys know alot about Nazism, most of their fathers have probably even kept their old SS uniforms. BTW do you think these pics could be used in any of the articles? They certainly put their nazi obsession in context, particularly the flag adds, Kostaki as gauleiter etc.Xenovatis (talk) 17:44, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
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I wouldn't call them "ultranationalists". In fact most of its support (and even some of its leading members) comes from disgruntled and bitter former-OAKKE members who don't even come from Macedonia but have a grudge against the world at large and evil capitalist Greece in particular (read this site to get the types).--Dexippus (talk) 18:06, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

You are right, I was reffering to the Slavic contigent of the Pratty, who are ultranationalists as opposed to the Greek contigent who are ultra-antinationalists. The only thing that binds them together is their common antihellenism. BTW I am familiar with this site and while I was not impressed by their articles denying the Armenian and Greek genocides the rest is pretty forgetable. They espouse a post-modernist approach but their work is marred by poor scholarship and amateurism. A better post-modernist treatment is provided by Sofos et al. in Tormented by History although they too deny both genocides.Xenovatis (talk) 18:27, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Despite their name (the Anti-Nationalist Movement), their only ideology is anti-Hellenism and not anti-nationalism. In order to promote that ideology they'll inconsistently adopt bits and pieces from many ideologies. On one text you'll see them saying that nations don't really exist but are creations of intellectuals (a common anti-nationalist argument, which I respect) but in the next text they claim that the main (natural) nations of the Balkans are Albanians, "Macedonians" (note: they never mention Bulgarians), Turks and Vlachs and that the Greeks were artificially created by intellectuals from a mix of those groups. Then they'll go on to affirm all Macedonist nationalist claims, even to the point of absurdity. For example, they use the Carnegie report to prove that Greeks committed atrocities against "Macedonians" during the Balkan Wars; the problem is that report speaks of Bulgarians and not "Macedonians". Then you'll see them claiming that they support Kosovo's independence because "Greek nationalists oppose it" etc. Greek nationalists and anti-Greek nationalists are just two sides of the same freaky extremist coin and can't survive without each other.

They remind me of the Greek anarchist movement (except in a slightly more intellectual form), you know, the types who desecrate war hero memorials (including of those who fought against the Nazis) and burn Greek flags in their demonstrations. All these groups are connected and interconnected, but they all crave the same thing: attention. In order to achieve this, they'll do their provocative actions claiming an ideology they don't really believe in justifies it. How many of those hood-wearing anarchists who attack policemen for no reason even understand the basic principles of any of the anarchist ideologies?

BTW did you hear about the kook who was candidate for president of Thessaloniki's Law Society. Apparently he doesn't self-identify as "Greek", but as a "European Hellenophone leftist lawyer"! The world is a funny place...--Dexippus (talk) 19:00, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Tsk, tsk, tsk. What a nationalist fascist! Calling his language Greek. It should have been "European Rhomaiophone leftist lawyer". What a racist!Xenovatis (talk) 08:43, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Famous Albanians:Alexander the Great

Dear Niko, I see many people asking for a reference about alexander's greek identity. I think only the title : Lives of notable Greeks and Romans ... Alexander vS Caesar, should be enough, don't you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.92.254.192 (talk) 06:38, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

You are assuming that the average Slav/Albanian/etc POV-pushing nationalist idiot that insists he wasn't Greek is either interested in the truth or aware of Plutarch, let alone his Parallel Lives. They will probably label him as just another Greek historian with an agenda!Xenovatis (talk) 08:39, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

hi you seem like a decent user

hi niko i was wonderin if you could ask Xenovatis why it is innapropriate to have official census figures on the Greeks page. rather figures from the greek ministry


RE; our convo

Actually if you translate the data from the french government it states,

Greek Community in France:15 000 (9th rank in the World), now the www.diplomatie.gouv.fr is source on many wiki pages in terms of the ethnic groups. Just beacuase you do not like the number does not mean it is wrong.

The Number of Greeks in italy is not 30,000 but rather 6831 as is stated in the official government figures.

Another reversion! the swedish census counted 10,749 but once again you have inflated the figures to 14,000 for the foreign ministry figures!

How can there be 15,000 greeks in serbia, when the lowest recorded ethnic group was at 2210????

Serbia : http://www.statserb.sr.gov.yu/zip/esn31.pdf Sweden: http://www.scb.se/statistik/_publikationer/BE0101_2005A01_BR_BE0106TAB.pdf France : http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/pays-zones-geo_833/grece_187/presentation-grece_1362/donnees-generales_831.html Italy  :http://demo.istat.it/str2006/

Why is it that the official figures are not accepted??/

although the official figures are higher you cannnot just leave estimates when official census' are released thanx,P m kocovski (talk) 12:41, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Deleting sources and referenced statements is vandalism. If you want to include the data you first have to understand it. The censi reference people from Greece not Greeks in general. The MFA refers to Greeks in general so the figure is obviously larger. If you check the numbers for Canada for example only 60% of ethnic Greeks there hail from Greece About 90,000 also declare another identity so come mainly from the Diaspora and some from Cyprus.Xenovatis (talk) 13:23, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
I see this discussion has progressed where it started in Talk:Greeks. Just try to not to "jump the gun" so fast every time. And nobody call me again "decent" please! :-P NikoSilver 21:02, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Cooler heads have prevailed. PM feel free to make the changes, or better yet I will make them myself.Xenovatis (talk) 21:58, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
gud, thats all sorted out. P m kocovski (talk) 12:35, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Macedonia

Hi, point taken. Was attempting to give his comments a little sense of humour, given that he didn't seem to have much, and seemed like an angry person in general. Sokolcius (talk) 17:21, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


Hello Niko, Cheers!

I noticed on the latest revision of the article, that some very important information has been editied out, which I would like to see restored -- in the section on "Historical Concerns", some key information by the very well-known scholar and expert Eugene N. Borza has been eliminated. I have a degree in Classicial Civilization, and believe me everyone has heard of Eugene Borza. I have also read the justifications made by the person who is supposedly an expert mediator, who says he pisses on block quotes for all his various smug reasons. The trouble with so-called diplomats like that, is that when they are faced with some facts that clarify the troubling issues, like Borza's research into this issue, it disturbs them, 100% of the time, because one side comes out the loser, so they prefer and are very bothered to keep things always even-steven, at all costs and perpetuate 'diplomacy', that way they can be seen as succesful diplomats. I laugh. I feel sorry for fools who are the victims of the "tyranny of fashion," like this so-called shining award winning expert is. I wont even get started...not worth it. Please dont get me wrong: clear, unbiased, cold-hard facts, is what we are all after, and academic professionalism and courtesy of course as well. And yes, a well flowing article with a minimum of such long quotes. Nothing more , or less. But Borza's inforation is criticval to that section, and it takes someone of his calibre to speak with such authority. That's what Eugene Borza offers. The information in this quote is *of the essence* for the section on Greece's Historical Concerns. Eliminating it has consdierably weakened, AND I would say biased the article. Borza hasnt even been summarized, or footnoted !!!!!!! Just GONE. Ya know what I mean, WTF??  :) I wrote to you as you have worked on this much, and frankly I do not recall who edited the quote out. But I challenege anyone to 1) dispute Borza's professional academic veracity, 2) prove the subject he speaks about is not central to the section on Historical concerns, which it is. Sorry for going on so long, I am not usually on wikipedia, but wanted to give you some feedback on this one point. hoping you can restore this information below. Respectfully, Chris. 216.254.166.173 (talk) 22:43, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Eugene N. Borza, a professor of ancient history regarded an expert on the history of ancient Macedon stated:

Modern Slavs, both Bulgarians and Macedonians, cannot establish a link with antiquity, as the Slavs entered the Balkans centuries after the demise of the ancient Macedonian kingdom. Only the most radical Slavic factions—mostly émi-grés in the United States, Canada, and Australia—even attempt to establish a connection to antiquity [...] The twentieth-century development of a Macedonian ethnicity, and its recent evolution into independent statehood following the collapse of the Yugoslav state in 1991, has followed a rocky road. In order to survive the vicissitudes of Balkan history and politics, the Macedonians, who have had no history, need one. They reside in a territory once part of a famous ancient kingdom, which has borne the Macedonian name as a region ever since and was called ”Macedonia” for nearly half a century as part of Yugoslavia. And they speak a language now recognized by most linguists outside Bulgaria, Serbia, and Greece as a south Slavic language separate from Slovenian, Serbo-Croatian, and Bulgarian. Their own so-called Macedonian ethnicity had evolved for more than a century, and thus it seemed natural and appropriate for them to call the new nation “Macedonia” and to attempt to provide some cultural references to bolster ethnic survival.[156]

AfD nomination of List of countries by coast/area ratio

I have nominated List of countries by coast/area ratio, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of countries by coast/area ratio. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? —Bkell (talk) 00:31, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Χριστός ανέστη

Happy Easter Niko, hope you are enjoying a great time with the family. (Wish I could be in Greece these days too... :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:40, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

 Χριστός Ανέστη και Χρόνια Πολλά για σένα και την οικογένεια σου φίλτατε Νικόλαε. Χερετισμούς Άκης. --Asteraki (talk) 09:29, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

greetings

Hello, marry easter for my dear greek orthodox friend. PelasgicMoon (talk) 16:50, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Τα φώτα σου

Dear Nikos I have a problem with the numbering of footbotes in the Elgin Marbles article. See section "Criticism by Elgin's contemporaries". Could you help out?--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 12:07, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Άκυρο, sory I just figured it out...--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 12:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


Hy

KILIKIS,so if you are administrator it is shame for you not to see that there is a Macedonian minority in Northern Greece!! The name was is and will be,(wehen real democarcy comes in Hellas),KUKUŠ,and the name is not Bulagarian,it is SLAVO MACEDONIAN! If you are so big suporter of truth you shoud know that Bulgarians are turkomongolic tribe who speaks in broken SlavoMacedonian language!!!See CIA factbook! So i will lett you to fix the problem,it is Kukuš in Macedonian,for you Greek's In Slavo Macedonian!! Makedonij 15:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Elgin Marbles

I added some perspective to the Legality section but I am afraid that it may need some summarizing. Any comments or suggestions would be welcome--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 14:46, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

If you have time

Can you have a look at the following discussion about the article History of democracy, any comment is much appreciated!

discussion topics:

Thank you in advance! A.Cython (talk) 11:56, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi!

Thank you for translating my user name! Runningfridgesrule (talk) 14:19, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Γιώργης

I have been working on the Elgin Marbles article for several days now and I am proposing that it be renamed. Unfortunately I have not managed to attract any responses yet and I would be interested to hear what you have to say about my proposal. I am planning to notify other contributors as well in the hope to start a discussion--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 12:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC)