Talk:Nikolay Davydenko

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  • The tennis career section, especially the year-by-year breakdown, is more or less a cut'n'paste of Davydenko's profile on the ATP official site. I've started rewriting it. Macavity7 13:45, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I've rewritten some of the article, shifting all the Davydenko-migrates stuff to a new section on early life, since it's not really part of his tennis career per se. Macavity7 14:14, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
  • The quote about Nikolay leaving home needs a reference. Macavity7 14:14, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

- added reference from original article Macavity7 07:30, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Contents

[edit] Tennis Career section

  • I've also removed a lot of the ATP site-style ellipses - apart from any copyright issues, they are just hideous and obfuscating - and put in Wiki- and reader-friendly dot points. Still needs work though, since it's still heavily reliant on the ATP site. I'm not sure every single appearance in a Futures final by a player of Davydenko's caliber merits a mention. Macavity7 14:14, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Nikolay Davydenko is the sole being who inspired to become high quality at tennis. because of his exceptional temperament and will to succeed, in my view, he is the greatest tennis player this world has ever created, eclipsing the likes of Roger Federer, John Mcenroe and Timothy Norman. Well done Nikolay. If you need my experience at playing in high class tennis situations, don't hesiate to give me a ringer ding ding !!!

Isn't it a well known fact that Davydenko doesn't have a kit sponser, because he's got such a bland and boring personality, so no one will sponser him, should this be mentioned at all?...LazyManJackson 18:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Watch out for the vandals - I'm doing my best to fix the page. DanielSong39 22:48, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia please monitor Davydenko's page for vandals. There has been a lot of irrevelent info edited. I'm trying to remove it as well. I've contributed a lot to this page this year, writing most of the original info and updating the page. I don't want vandal ruining it all.

[edit] This page should probably be protected

The allegations of match fixing are being reported in the mainstream media--see http://www.rte.ie/sport/tennis/2007/0803/tennis.html among others -- yet these articles are being removed from this page even though the references are sourced. 68.45.106.216 12:05, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

We have no objection to these things being incorporated into the Davydenko article, but you have to produce verifiable references that they're true. Until then such controversial edits are not acceptable. Xdenizen 13:44, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

There's a reference quoted above that was removed from the article. If that news source isn't good enough, here's one from the BBC. Is the BBC considered an acceptable news source by the Wikipedia admins? http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/6928635.stm 68.45.106.216 16:17, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Here's another one
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/tennis/story/0,,2140899,00.html
The basic fact that Betfair have voided over $7 million dollars worth of bets due to suspicion of match fixing - following Davydenko's retiral - is not under question. One gets the impression that some people have "pet pages" on Wikipedia which they defend against all unwanted information, regardless of the provenance, or the quality of the references. Organica 18:34, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
The story is now on the front page of ESPN and Yahoo Sports. The fact that articles from places like RTE and the BBC are being removed as "not verifiable references" is absurd.

I've put up a reference to the Betfair betting scandal on the Betfair page, under "controversies". I'd hold off putting info about the scandal on this site until more is revealed about the case - so far there is no evidence of match-fixing. DanielSong39 06:10, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] vandalism

Under playing style the first sentence says "Davydenko employs an aggressive tanking game although he is capable of playing an all-round fix. His main strengths are his ability to retire, lightning foot speed,bank balance and return game." Later it says "Davydenko's best tank shot has to be his backhand which he can hit out at will, cross court and with extreme angles or dolly it into the net if needed." Later in the last sentence under trivia it says "...due to the fact that he throws more tournaments per year than any other player..."

I don't know how to fix this stuff but it's controversial to say the least.66.65.88.136 01:07, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Taken care of. - Crockspot 05:21, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

It still says all that stuff, plus under playing activity for 2004 it says "Followed with title in Munich (d. No. 5 Schüttler in QF, first bet on Betfair, Verkerk in F) and 3rd RD at AMS Rome (d. González, l. to Spadea)"66.65.88.136 18:56, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

He is being investigated by the ATP for the potential unfair play. This is undebatable so it should be mentioned in the page. You can't keep deleting these comments. http://select.nytimes.com/2007/08/07/sports/tennis/07araton.html

So far there is no evidence of any foul play. Once more information becomes available it may become appropriate to include this article. But as of now, any allegations of match-fixing is pure speculation. At this point it would be more appropriate to call this a betting controversy, and not a tennis controversy - and as such, pertinent information can be found on the Betfair page. DanielSong39 18:58, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

This is not speculation, it is an absolute truth about him that he is being investigated by the ATP. Once he is cleared, then the information can be updated that he was investigated, but found not to have engaged in unfair play. It is not speculation that he is being investigated and it is clear from what is written that his involvement is not certain. If he is mentioned in Betfair's page, why is it wrong to mention Betfair in his page?! Nothing I have written is untrue and my comment was excerpted from the NYT. This is not your "pet page" danielsong39 and information that is true deserves to be put in wiki. If you read the policy on living persons in Wiki, this is totally within the guidelines established by Wikipedia. Here is an example taken directly from the policy: " Example: A politician is alleged to have had an affair. He denies it, but the New York Times publishes the allegations, and there is a public scandal. The allegation may belong in the biography, citing the New York Times as the source." Quit deleting my comments!

Seriously how can anyone suggest the recent events should not be mentioned in the article. While it would not be fair to label him a cheat, to whitewash any mention of the controversy is absurd. As stated above there is nothing controversial about mentioning the allegations, nor the fact Betfair voided the market, as these facts can be verified. If he is later cleared of any wrong doing, that information can be added to the article. I'm not going edit but DanielSong you need to stop reverting valid edits. 212.140.167.98 23:52, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
DanielSong looking at your edits I see that you have been reverting a lot of real vandalism on this page, and that is to be commended, but you must stop reverting valid edits. 212.140.167.98 00:03, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

QUIT CHANGING MY EDITS DANIELSONG! The excerpt was taken directly from the NYT.--Tdccm 06:28, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Danielsong, please stop changing the edits about the gambling controversy! This addition was taken from the NYT and is only one of many references.--Tdccm 11:40, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Davydenko's Innocence

Why did sum1 remove the the sentence that Davydenko and Arguello are innocent? There is no proof of them of any wrongdoing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.173.63 (talk) 12:45, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

because that statement is untrue since he is under investigation. the proof is to be determined--Tdccm 23:11, 17 October 2007 (UTC).

Danielsong needs to quit changing the page to suit his own biases about Davydenko. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tdccm (talk • contribs) 01:23, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

The information from NY Times is misleading, and does not describe the full extent of his poor play preceding the match, or his physical condition before and during the match. DanielSong39 01:55, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

You are also misleading by saying he "needed a painkiller injection just to able to start the match" and in "poor form", both of which are your own biases. Where is the reference for this?--Tdccm 22:29, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I took it out; could not find it in references. Put in a few new reference, which now backs what is written. I think it is fine now.--HJensen, talk 00:00, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I put in the proper references that reference Davydenko's physical condition at the time of the match. His use of painkillers before the match was "locker room knowledge" but did not make it into mainstream media - probably the reason why the gamblers took a shot at Arguello in the match.DanielSong39 (talk) 23:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I placed them in footnotes to be in conformity with the rest.--HJensen, talk 00:15, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I removed the redundant text danielsong39 added regarding the details of his foot injury since the same thing was stated in two consecutive sentences.--Tdccm (talk) 16:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Davydenko's Grand Slam and Master Series Table

Can someone fix it up like it was before but just with 2008 year added please??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.173.63 (talk) 01:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Davydenko´s citizenship

I do not understand the reason for application. I think that this is an interesting issue. As far as I am informed he was born in Ukraine. How he got russian citizan? Or is he born as russian? He left his country and have lived for many years in Germany. So this can be a reason for decideding to be german. This is possible. Hoever it is not possible to get citizan of two EU countries. This means that you can not be German or Ausrian citizan, at the same time. I have heard, that he moved to Austria/Pörtschach. He has a house there and is managed by his older brother Edward and Ronnie Leitgeb. A very interesting story... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.47.132.104 (talk) 03:02, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Davydenko's Playing style

Who keeps editing that section by removing parts of it?

I pretty much wrote up the whole Davydenko wikipedia page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.173.63 (talk) 01:34, 23 February 2008 (UTC)