Talk:Nikola Šubić Zrinski

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[edit] Hungarian soldier?

He wasn't Hungarian soldier. He was Croat in service of Austrian Empire military. There is no reason to call him Hungarian becaouse he was born as a Croat in famous Croatian noble family Šubić, later called Zrinski. The batlle for Kiseg happend on Hungarian teritory defending Austrian Empire which Hungary, as Croatia, was a part of. That doesn't mean he was Hungarian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.172.5.51 (talk • contribs)

In medieval times, being a Hungarian was not referring to ethnical descendance (they were called Magyars), but membership of the country's nobility. Please correct me if you feel I'm wrong. --V. Szabolcs 15:27, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

There was no Austrian Empire that time. The Habsburg Empire was a complex set of different states connected by the dinasty. Zrinski was a magnate of Croatia within the Hungarian realm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.0.252.145 (talk • contribs)

Nikola Šubić Zrinski was a Croat. Kingdom of Croatia was in the Habsburg Monarchy at that time, since January 1st 1527 @ Cetingrad Sabor to be exact. Why dont funny Hungarians call Josip Jelačić a Hungarian. In the time of Šubić-Zrinski Croatia made personal union with Hungary and only that. But in the time of Jelačić, the bonds between the two states were much stronger! Croatia and Hungary(Ungria back then) formed unio realis inequalis, with Hungary's dominance.

[edit] Zrinyi - Hungarian

The Zrinski family was indeed of Croatian origin. However, quoting from the 1911 Britannica (article here:

"The Emperor Ferdinand also gave him large possessions in Hungary, and henceforth the Zrinyis became as much Magyar as Croatian magnates.... In 1563, on the coronation of the Emperor Maximilian as king of Hungary, Zrinyi attended the ceremony at the head of 3000 Croatian and Magyar mounted noblemen..." (emphasis mine).

It would be inaccurate to call Zrinyi simply "a Hungarian soldier", but equally unfair to leave it at simply "a Croatian soldier." For further discussion, take a look at his great grandson, also Nikola Zrinski, who was both a Croat and Hungarian patriot, and who definitely ascribed both these qualities to his great-grandfather in his Hungarian-language epic, the Szigeti Veszedelem. I can't think of a better source.
Korossyl 08:47, 8 June 2007 (UTC)