Talk:Nikken Abe
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[edit] Biography assessment rating comment
WikiProject Biography Summer 2007 Assessment Drive
The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 00:13, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I have to say that this article is mostly crap. I am not experienced in Wiki code, or I would do a complete rewrite. It seems like all of the allegations against him (which mostly consist of stuff being thrown against the wall, hoping something would stick) are out there, but there is very little of substance as to his accomplishments and his life.
Anything that references a Soka Spirit article as a source should be deleted, if it can not be verified by a neutral source, as Soka Spirit is an organ media of an organization that was focused on discrediting him.
RaiderSithLord (talk) 07:29, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Comments inserted into article
- This article is clearly biased toward the priesthood version of events!!!!!!!!! There is no mention of the anti-defamation lawsuit the Soka Gakkai won against the priesthood, nor that Abe was frequenting a prostitute at the time and LIED about it. Also not mentioned is Abe's "Operation C", C for cut, to force out Daisaku Ikeda and regain control over the lay believers. Also not included is the international and archtectural communities out-cry against the destruction of the Sho-Hondo and other buildings as marvels of modern building. --Added by 24.22.209.10 on 19 December 2005.
- 04 December: Nikken Abe has resigned under not clear circumstances --Added by 80.25.30.22 on 19 December 2005.
Abe's problems with Soka Gakkai are mentioned in a manner appropriate for an encyclopedic article, and details are available via two references (links) to other articles. I've also re-organized 24.22.209.10's links to the SGI website for people who want to follow them.
If someone feels that "Operation C" and the other topics mentioned above need to be addressed, then please go ahead and do so: this is, after all, Wikipedia.
I have clarified Abe's reasons for stepping down as high priest in the sentence that mentions the fact. Or is there something "unclear" or otherwise mysterious that I'm missing about an 83-year-old man deciding to retire?
When you contribute to Wikipedia, please observe the conventions for doing so, otherwise other contributors will have to come by to clean up after you. Meanwhile, have fun :) Jersey_Jim 15:39, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Removed "Recent events..."
...because the information, having been already mentioned in the body of the article, was redundant. Jim_Lockhart 03:52, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Removed copyrighted material
The material inserted under "litigation against Abe" by 67.175.169.250 in the edit of 13:10, 9 January 2006. In addition to being a verbatim copy of the material at http://www.sokaspirit.org/historical_facts/reformists_cur.shtml, the content is outdated (it refers to events that took place in 2000 and having taken place this year) and consists mainly of accusations, describing events only insofar as they are useful for the accusations.
About half-way through, the material also contained a list of what appear to be headlines, many of them truncated.
The second batch of material that I removed was also lifted directly from elsewhere, again SGI's Soka Spirit website: http://www.sokaspirit.org/resource/world_tribune_45.shtml.
Best regards to all, Jim_Lockhart 10:18, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Started a clean-up, but still much to do...
The article as I found it today was very biased towards Abe and contained many unsubstantiated and subjective claims, many of which were false. I have removed a lot of them and I have tried to reword much of the rest of the article to reflect the beliefs of both the SGI and Nichiren Shoshu ("The SGI claims...", "As Nichiren Shoshu sees it...", etc.). I haven't done a perfect job by any means, and I have even put in {{Fact}} tags against some of my own ammendments because I know that they need to be properly sourced.
Perhaps some of the stuff I have deleted can find its way back into the article, but it needs to be framed with "Nichiren Shoshu says..." or whatever.
I have also deleted some anti-Abe and anti-Nichiren Shoshu links because they do not refer to anything in the article. There certainly have been allegations of scandalous behaviour against Abe and they certainly need to be put in the article, but they must be properly referenced. Ideally sources should be reputable disinterested parties (i.e. not SGI or Nichiren Shoshu). SGI or Nichiren Shoshu sources should be used with great care.
I know that there have been a number of academics and other eminent people who have commented on the split between Nichiren Shoshu and the SGI. Are there any that have specifically commented on Abe or his conduct?
I admit an interest. I am an SGI member. However I believe it does no service to anyone to do anything other than try to make this article properly encyclopaedic (so please, try to avoid me-too editing!). I also admit that the work I have done so far is pretty inadequate and probably flawed. This article really needs a major overhaul. I shall try to get back to it when I get a bit more time. I can be contacted on my talk page if anyone needs to. ireneshusband (talk) 04:56, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I've done a bit of tidying and pruning and added a paragraph about the destruction of the sho hondo. One thing we need now is restructuring. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ireneshusband (talk • contribs) 11:31, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
