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[edit] Murders

I don't want to change it in case I'm wrong, but the article says she committed at least ten murders, but only lists nine. Am I missing something? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 38.115.1.4 (talk • contribs) 20:50, 23 February 2007 (UTC).

Didn't she murder the court-appointed therapist? She snapped her arm in half and shocked her repeatedly with a taser. She looked pretty dead to me. (Ghostexorcist 04:05, 26 April 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Jessica

Ok i have a question i says Niki showed super strenght? when? and aslo if she doesn't i think niki might be a medium ,able to have ghost take over her (like in the Sixth sense), so it would be jessica withe the superstrenght, but died and some how got transfered to niki this also might explain the RNA symbol that appears when jessica is in control- Red spiderman 3/1

Sign your comments, work on your spelling. Also, your statement is pure speculation. Niki shows the superstrength in the episode where DL and Micah visit her in jail - the guard swings a stick at her and purely by reflex she grabs it and snaps it in half. 203.14.180.100 00:37, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I rewatched the eposiod and Nikki had a glare in her eyes, like jessica, when she snaps the stick in half- red 4/3

So Niki is not allowed to get angry without Jessica taking over? That doesn't seem quite right. I think the situation was one where Jessica didn't even have a chance to surface and Niki didn't realise what she was doing. Much like the other heros, she discovers her powers in a time of great stress. Padillah 15:57, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jessica's Power

Personally, I don't really think that Superhuman strength adequately described her power... She seems to have improved coordination and skill as well. These attributes are at the very least greatly improved while in "Jessica mode". This is demonstrated with her accuracy with her general skills with weapons but she is apparently very good at being a sniper, etc. She is generally extremely competant with many things she should have little to no experience with; even playing video games. 24.195.243.188 03:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that Jessica's power is superhuman strength.

Samantha Lim88 07:25, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

It depends on how you view Jessica. If you believe her to merely be another personality of Niki, then yes, super-strength is her power. Ophois 22:39, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

maybe its jessica and nikis combined strength, but I dunno, super strength, just means that she has strength the average person doesnt. She does. end of story. no matter whats it called.69.118.144.236 23:19, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Uh, I think Jessica, Niki and later Gina are one and the same but stem from Niki and are identities that she named after her late sister who took her beatings for her, was always calm, collected and in control, stood up for her, and did what it took to protect Niki and Jessica is a more twisted concoction of that. Niki is Jessica and Jessica is Niki, it's just Niki doesn't want it and isn't really aware of her situation. Gina is a party animal showing the side of Niki that she never could or would show but always secretly wanted to show. All Gina focuses on is partying, drugs, drinking, and men. Gina really cares for nothing. The mirror and reflection scenes were Niki's way of trying to communicate with them and dealing with them which she couldn't and often failed. And I think Niki's power is superhuman strength. Jessica only had the use of it because Jessica is part of the Id (there's an article on it here) and the Id represents power, impulsive actions, brute force and confrontation, and to an extent savagery. And the Id is primarily the subconscious part of most people's mind and if you look at X-Men, especially Jean Grey and Iceman, and other Marvel Comics heroes like Scarlet Witch and Franklin Richards, the bulk of Omega-level potential lies within their subconscious and is only released during times of extreme stress and duress or when their emotions and temper run out of control. Does it click now? That's why Jessica could only use superhuman strength and gradually Niki got it. Gina, if she cared for anything serious, could use it too. Oh and the disorder Niki has is called DID, Dissociative Identity Disorder (there's an article on that too here). I'm not going to explain so you guys are going to have to look it up for yourself. Superhuman strength is Niki's power as an evolved human but DID is a mental "illness" that she has that makes her so dangerous. Jessica being good with guns, video games, being a skilled hand-to-hand fighter, and able to escape scenes of her crime quickly without being seen while Niki can't is just practice when Jessica is in control. Gina can dance and drink large amounts of alcohol and party all night when Niki can't is basically just practice when she is in control. Does that solve all your questions. Elemental5293 (talk) 16:27, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Small time criminal? Really?

The article says "small-time criminal D.L. Hawkins, was in jail, accused of stealing two million dollars from a sports booker and murdering his own gang." Stealing $2M and murdering your entire gang is still considered small time? Your guys "big time" must be very impressive. I think we can just say "criminal". Padillah 15:54, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Wait a minute! I'm going to correct myself. D.L. is not, as we have found out, a criminal. He was framed by Jessica. Padillah 16:00, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Niki and Jessica merging?

Exactly where is this coming from? I don't see any evidence that Niki and Jessica are merging. Do we have a source for this? WorldsCollide 19:31, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

All right, if there isn't a source, I'll remove it.WorldsCollide 20:24, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

There's no source but then again the season finale left many questions unanswered on purpose, like whether or not Nathan and Peter survived (Mostly the Nathan part of it), but from what we can see Jessica merged with Niki that's why Niki now can purposefully exhibit super strength. Also don't ask a question ("Do we have a source for this?") then without having any one else here to respond to your question change the article. Knight Whitefire 22:29, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I waited two days. No one responded. Further, the evidence you presented in your post above is OR. WorldsCollide 22:12, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Just because Jessica disappeared and Niki has super-strength now doesn't mean that they merged. Super-strength is Niki's natural power, so she may just have realized how to access it. Ophois 23:33, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


Ali Larter said there merging, and in the season final they do shes strong but not crazy and sweet but not weak! =] user: Srstorey

Just because Ali Larter said that doesn't mean the writers intend that to happen. And the last episode doesn't hint at all that they merged. It only showed that Niki can access her power now. Ophois 21:34, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe they merge. If they had then Jessica would not have been able to talk to Niki while Candice was posing as Jessica. Niki using her power is just character development. Rather than relying on Jessica for help, she's finally doing things herself. (Slick023 19:07, 16 June 2007 (UTC))

I know consensus doesn't mean squat here but I agree with Slick023; just because Nikki can use her power at will doesn't mean Jessica is gone. This would intimate that Jessica is a trait of Nikki's power rather than a response to the abuse we've been led to believe. Padillah 19:40, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I would also like some source for determining that Nikki is using her power by herself rather than having Jessica using the power. Since they are both after Micha Jessica would have no problem co-operating with D.L. (heck she's been lying to him for months now). What are we basing this statement on? (I don't remember the epi very well). Padillah 16:51, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Didn't we see Jessica in season 2 when she tried to kill Bob in Fight or Flight, and then later in Out of Time. Didn't Maury Parkman's night mare force Jessica to take control, and that was the reason Niki took the cure (to stop Jessica).

They kinda are merging but they aren't. Niki doesn't have to rely on Jessica to protect her and take care of her anymore since she has finally discovered her ability of super strength. So Jessica won't be popping up as often. Doesn't mean that Jessica isn't going to pop up. Jessica is still that crazy, apathetic, borderline savage and domineering individual so she probably is going to pop up. Maury forced Jessica to take control but under his control. Jessica if released and if she wanted to, could have killed Mohinder when he annoyed her if she just kept punching his face, could have killed Nathan for not getting out of her way and Bob by ripping them both in half, and could've turned around and killed Maury by sending her foot through his chest for trying to control her. She might just killed or beat the daylights out of Matt Parkman, because he is a detective, just to merely keep him quiet and just threaten Molly to keep her quiet too. Though Jessica can be noble and chivalrious when she wants to, Jessica is a beast. We haven't seen the last of her. If Niki survived that explosion and if the third season is called Villains, oh Jessica is coming back. Elemental5293 (talk) 16:38, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Jessica"s history

" The side of her personality known as "Jessica" has at least been a part of Niki since her sister Jessica's death, since she remembers the event while Niki herself does not. "

I'm not real good at psychology (and I'm willing to bet that the producers don't have a psychologist on staff) but I don't think the presence of memories is any indication of the manifesting of a MPD. She could have splintered much earlier or even much later after even more stress (most people can handle the stress of a sibling dying). As a means of establishing her "existence" I don't think it stands up to scrutiny. Padillah 17:43, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Niki being "cured"

I must have understood differently but I thought Niki was trying to be "cured" of her powers, not the virus. Anyone that has had the virus thus far has been bed-ridden and quite ill. Niki looks healthy, which could be attributed to her increased strength but she would most certainly make sure Micah didn't have the sickness too. I don't think she was sick with the Virus at all. Padillah 17:50, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Niki was just in the beginning stages of the virus. The virus is basically Alzheimer's, combined with some elements of Marvel's Legacy Virus, a bad case of the flu and the cure from X-men 3. She just has lost her powers. But it would be hilarious and amazing, if after Maury released a controlled and sedative Jessica in Out of Time, Jessica was back permanently and probably injected herself with Claire's blood secretly and Niki just didn't know she had her powers back or that Jessica was back, so while Jessica has super strength again to herself, Niki is "powerless". And in the episode Powerless, Niki was being a hero without her powers and Jessica didn't need to resurface since Niki was in no real danger to herself and doesn't, consciously or unconsciously, rely on Jessica anymore. But since they share bodies and Niki was in need of dire help when she was trapped in the burning building, Jessica could've taken control and busted her way out right before the explosion. That would make so much sense. That's what I think. Elemental5293 (talk) 16:44, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nicole?

Hey...is thier a reference that her real name is nicole? just wanderingChrisisinchrist 19:27, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

A good question, actually - it was added here but no explanation was ever provided. I've removed it pending a citation (as the alternative was to have a "citation needed" tag on the first word of the article. --Ckatzchatspy 05:44, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm not positive, but didn't her father call her that in "Six Months Ago"?Ophois 11:45, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, Niki's father did call her by her real name during his very brief screentime. 64.85.234.166 05:03, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough, just had to check. While it's probably not desirable to have a reference on the first word of the article, it might be a good idea to add a hidden comment next to the text to avoid this in the future. Thoughts? --Ckatzchatspy 08:35, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Family & Relationships

D.L.'s page has a Family & Relationships sections, can't Niki have one too? :) --Mjrmtg 02:29, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Heroes nikibadass.jpg

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[edit] Death

The preview for Powerless said two heroes will die. Niki was in a building that exploded, she is one of them. So she is dead. BioYu-Gi! 20:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Then this should be simple: Prove it. Show us where she is dead and we will be fine. D.L. got shot at the end of Volume One and he didn't die then. Heck Noah was SHOT IN THE HEAD and he's not dead. Those were purposely ambiguous cliffhangers, let's see what happens in the next volume. As another editor is fond of saying, we don't have to scoop anyone so we can take our time and get it right. Padillah 20:45, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
It never said two would die. It said that two heroes would "fall". Though that implies death, it doesn't necessary mean so. Ophois (talk) 22:03, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Well then say what you meen the first time round rather than confusing the subject. Take time to quote the exact words not your own personnal interpritation. (Electrobe (talk) 17:44, 16 December 2007 (UTC))

Yeah, I agree with Padilla and Ophois. Niki and Nathan's "deaths" were extremely vague and while previous deaths like Eden, Jackie (Claire's rival), Isaac, Simone and sadly D.L, their deaths were pretty clear. Heck, even Sylar should've been dead but someone had to rescue him. For all we know, Niki (or Jessica) could've escaped that building right in time. And Nathan could be alive but seriously injured. We're just going to have to wait until season 3. It said that two heroes would fall. Could that mean that Niki is gone temporarily and Jessica is back in control? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elemental5293 (talk • contribs) 16:49, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Plus, how do we know which two heroes are supposed to have fallen? Maya fell, also. QuasiAbstract (talk) 17:27, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
You know what. That actually makes sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elemental5293 (talk • contribs) 01:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Niki Sanders Season 2.jpg

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I've updated the fair use rationale. Colud someone take a look and see if it's sufficient to remove the fair use tag? Thanks. Padillah (talk) 20:48, 5 December 2007 (UTC)