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Contents 1 Race and crime 2 Military history WikiProject coordinator election 3 Kentaro Noda 4 WP:CIVIL 5 Please re-register 6 AfD List of video game collector and limited editions (yet again) 7 OMG episodes 8 FYI 9 Carly 10 Toyokuni Shrine 11 Newtype USA 12 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rank insignia of the Galactic Empire 13 Deletion review 14 Barnstar 15 Amazonas before the Inca Empire 16 RFC 17 Shimane Prefecture 18 Help on An Jung-geun

Race and crime

Hey •••日本穣^{? • Talk to Nihonjoe} can you do me a favor and revisit the Race and crime article. As you will note on the history page [1] this piece was considered for {Afd}. However, you believed a consensus was made to “Keep”. I am sorry, I feel this article is clearly a WP:POV involving original research. At its best, it is inflammatory and derogatory from its opening sentence to the list of [2] links. Rather than resubmit for deletion, I felt it might be wiser to discuss the “Keep” with you. Although I would certainly agree that the article is notable, though speculative, disputed and unverifiable information dominates most of it there is a heap of synthesis of the sources and POV in the article, clearly another {Afd} could and should be requested. Thanks for your input. Shoessss |  Chat  10:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Have you tried discussing the POV allegations on the talk page? That's usually the best place to take care of POV issues rather than constantly nominating it for deletion. You may also try using dispute resolution if the other editors involved are less than cooperative in reworking the article to be more NPOV. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 17:48, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject coordinator election

The Military history WikiProject coordinator election has begun. We will be selecting nine coordinators from a pool of fourteen candidates to serve for the next six months. Please vote here by August 28! Kirill 01:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Kentaro Noda

User:Yui shop reposted Kentaro Noda. Would this user be one of the sockpuppets of Noda himself? --ThinkingBlack 02:33, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I suppose it's possible. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 03:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

User:Noda,Kentaro created Kentaro Noda again. Obviously this user is going to vandalize English Wikipedia too. I am afraid somebody will have to request for block him. --ThinkingBlack 15:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

WP:CIVIL

Nihonjoe, please remain civil in your interactions with other editors. There is no valid reason for posting such rude comments or edit summaries. Please stop. Italiavivi 18:14, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

You're a fine one to speak, Italiavivi. My edit summary was only the truth, and I was trying to prevent you from going berserk because your favorite politician was no longer listed at the top of the dab page. Looks like you sought out yet another reason to go bananas. Take a chill pill and calm down. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 00:25, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

"Berserk," "favorite politician," "go bananas," "take a chill pill." As I said, could you possibly be a better example of such consistent veiled incivility? Italia^vivi 01:32, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Was it veiled? I'll have to work on that. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 02:07, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

At least you're being open with your true disregard for WP:CIVIL. That's more like it, Joe! Italia^vivi 03:08, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

No, just open with my disregard and lack of respect for you. You haven't been civil with me since the first moment you started in on me, despite my trying to be civil with you. I've given up trying to be polite when you keep spitting in my face. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 03:10, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Please re-register

AfD List of video game collector and limited editions (yet again)

You may be interested in knowing this article has been nominated a 5th time for deletion on the same poor arguments presented the first previous times. I know you have contributed to discussions in the past and might want to this time as well. Deusfaux 12:49, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

OMG episodes

Hi, Nihonjoe.

Can you please do a quick search for anything that would help these OMG episode articles (reviews, published episode guides, DVD commentary) (as in, adds real world information, and not just another published summary)? It is under an episode review at Talk:List of Oh My Goddess episodes. That would be very much appreciated. Thanks. Greg Jones II 03:28, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

FYI

Please see User talk:White Cat#Inquiry/What articles?. Thanks. I would welcome if you'd join in to the effort. -- Cat ^chi? 11:36, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Carly

PLease can you restore Carly see Communes of the Pas-de-Calais department it is a commune but is it protected from re creation ♦ Blofeld the Bald ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 17:22, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Looks like someone else already did. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 00:24, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Toyokuni Shrine

I'm contacting you because your name is on the membership list for Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan/Shinto.

New Masima m wants to REDIRECT Hōkoku-jinja to Toyokuni Shrine because that is the current formal name of the shrine. No problem, of course -- but the way REDIRECT was handled did unintentionally cause what I'd posted about the Meiji era history of the shrine to be lost. I used the undo function to revert, and then asked for an explanation. I learned that Maxima m understood less than I do about how this aspect of the Wiki-system functions. My efforts to fix this problem using copy-and-paste were not successful.

So, if you please, I'm asking you to do two things: (1) fix it so that Maxima m's REDIRECT is successfully completed; and (2) help make clear to Maxima m that I am not complaining. Rather, I'm welcoming what has been done both at Toyokuni Shrine and at List of Kyoto's Shinto Shrines. It is likely very important to me that Maxima m be encouraged to do more -- not less. My interest in understanding what happened with the REDIRECT is less important than my interest in encouraging more edits from Maxima m and others in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan/Shinto.

As you may know, my primary focus for the foreseeable future -- whether appreciated and understood by my peers or not -- is to finish the alchemy involved in converting Nihon Ōdai Ichiran into relevant Wiki-stubs. In that context, the accuracy and usefulness of these 17th century references to shrines and temples has caused me some concern. Maxima m's projected input is precisely what I've been hoping to encounter in this Wikipedia venue -- precisely because of this kind of positive, but unintended consequences.

As background: I only came to Hōkoku-jinja as an ancillary subject which appeared when I looked further into the history of the adjacent Hōkō-ji. I invested the time in researching Hōkō-ji because Nihon Ōdai Ichiran records several stages in the construction of Hideyoshi's Daibutsu in Kyoto. It was one of those side tracks which becomes interesting in ways I had not previously considered.

I want to nurture this kind of synergy, not quash it ... and I'm concerned that my modest words may have already proved to be a kind of disincentive.

I will simulatenously post this message at User Talk:Maxima m. Mis-steps and miscommunication have happened too easily in the past few months -- par for the course, perhaps? This approach to Administrator Nihonjoe may not be the best way to go ... but eventually I'll figure out how to do better -- with help.

Bottom line: The best verb I know for what I want here is "nurture," but I've been overwhelmed by so many incidents of what seem bad faith in the past few months that I'm extraordinarily wary and quite a bit uncertain. So, can you help make this work one out? This a problem that absolutely doesn't need to be a problem. Ooperhoofd 02:37, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Moved and merged. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 05:17, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes -- good for everyone. Ooperhoofd 13:55, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Newtype USA

Hello Nihonjoe! I was going through the Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Magazines page, and found that you're the only one who has a copy of the August 2007 issue of Newtype USA. Could help me in fleshing out the Dragoneer's Aria article by letting me know what information they included about it in the game column for that issue? I would really appreciate it if you do. Thank you so much! :) -- SilentAria ^talk 11:33, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Sure. First, the article info:

Title: Dragoneer's Aria: Dragons, dragons everywhere

Reviewer: Raymond M. Padilla

Page: 123

The articles says there are six elemental dragons gaurding the game world. The hero is a recent graduate of the dragoon academy, and also happens to be the descendant of a legendary hero who defeated an evil black dragon bent on world domination. That same black dragon shows up during the hero's graduation ceremony, set on continuing where he left off last time. The hero travels to each of the six guardian dragons to protect them from the black dragon, and you eventually have to fight the black dragon, too. The fighting system has you building up offensive magical energy the more you fight with your physical weapons. There are also multi-player minigames where you can play with friends via wireless and gather loot and treasure to buff up your single-player game character. The game is more realistic-looking than most NIS games, and has the feel of a modern fantasy movie.

Hope that helps! ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 00:29, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Yep, that helps a lot, especially since the article has no sources whatsoever. Thank you so much! -- SilentAria ^talk 09:14, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rank insignia of the Galactic Empire

I'd say the consensus was to delete all the articles, especially considering none of the keep voters provided any real world sources giving coverage to any of these topics. Corpx 07:14, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Deletion review

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Rank insignia of the Galactic Empire. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. EEMeltonIV 19:38, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Made a couple comments. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 23:55, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Surreal Barnstar
		Hey Nihonjoe, I wanted to give a barnstar to thank for your productive efforts here - also your neutral stance in Japan-Korea dispute articles. I didn't want your talk page to have too many awards - there seems to be this tacit agreement that you can't have too many awards at the same time. So since your last award was at July, I'm giving you one now. Your very participation makes people feel "secure" & that the right & NPOV would win over the wrong & POV (or that you'd work out a brilliant compromise) in that particular dispute. Wikimachine 03:58, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. (^_^) ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 04:43, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I must concur with Wikimachine's words as well. This place just wouldn't be the same without you, Nihonjoe (^_^). ···巌流^{? · talk to ganryuu} 05:33, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I appreciate the kind words. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 06:22, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Amazonas before the Inca Empire

Hello, I saw you posted a link to Amazonas before the Inca Empire in the Inca Empire article arguing that "it directly relates to the rise of the Incan Empire". I was wondering how is Amazonas directly related to the rise of the Incas? If you look at a map you can see it's very far away from the Inca heartland around the modern city of Cuzco. --Victor12 16:07, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

It's a discussion of the Amazonas region before the Incans conquered it. How much more direct can you get? ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 16:13, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

As you said its a discussion of the region before the Incas conquered it. How is that related to the Inca Empire? It would be akin to adding a link to the History of Korea under the Joseon Dynasty in the Empire of Japan article. Just ask yourself does the link add any important info on the Inca Empire? --Victor12 16:20, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

The "See also" area is for items that are related to the topic. It directly discusses the area up to the point the Incans came in, and is therefore covering the period immediately before the Incans were there. Is it that odd to have a link to a discussion of a time period directly preceding (and overlapping) the discussion in the Incan Empire article, especially when the title of the article in question directly references the Incan Empire? I don't see the conflict here. As for your example, it's not a very good one since the Empire of Japan article does have a link to the Joseon Dynasty article (in the "First Sino-Japanese War" section). ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 16:34, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I knew it has a link in the text, however there's no such link in a See also section. The point of the "See also" section is to list links that add to the subject. That's why a "See also" section in the Japan Empire (if there was one) would not contain links to such things as History of Korea before Japanese conquest or History of Taiwan before Japanese conquest. The article Amazonas before the Inca Empire does not add any info relevant about the Inca Empire. It doesn't even say how or when the Incas conquered the region. There's just a minor comparison in the last sentence, other than that, how does this article add to the Inca Empire article? --Victor12 16:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I would find links to "History of Korea before Japanese conquest" and "History of Taiwan before Japanese conquest" to be useful "See also" links as they would add to the subject of the Empire of Japan article, giving a context for how things were before the Japanese invaded those countries. The same is true with the Amazonas article, IMHO. As for any shortcomings of the Amazonas article, those can be addressed by editors knowledgeable in the subject. Just because an article doesn't currently contain a detailed description the Incan invasion doesn't mean it wouldn't be an interesting related article to read, especially once the article is fleshed out a bit more. I agree that it needs more information, and not just in the section addressing the Incans. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 07:05, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

RFC

I have requested community comment on Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Italiavivi. I know you have contacted Italiavivi previously in attempts to resolve issues, your input is appreciated. This is just a friendly notice. --Hu12 19:39, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Shimane Prefecture

Hello, Nihonjoe. If you had some time, could you review and re-assess Shimane Prefecture? Your comments will be helpful. Thanks! --Reviewisat(Talk) 23:03, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I would still rate it as Start because it has some odd English and needs more references. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 23:09, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Help on An Jung-geun

Hello Nihonjoe, could you take a look at a dispute there? It's more like a vandalism (but in disguise as a content dispute). Already 1 admin voiced his opinion (but he only did so in talk page, I don't know why admins are so cautious in taking disputes like this) Could you take a definite side or clarify what would be neutral? Thanks. Rfc there brought no one except a sock puppet. (Wikimachine 03:32, 6 September 2007 (UTC))

I've made a comment there. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 03:50, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Something seems screwy about the talk page there that I think will require an admin to fix. The talk page is Talk:Ahn Jung-geun and the article is An Jung-geun. I would imagine they should be spelled the same. —LactoseTI^T 03:42, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 03:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

And on a similar note, Kim Jae-gyu and Kim Jaegyu are an accidental split I believe, clearly it is the same topic. Is there a place I should be posting for a merge to be done? (In any case, you seem pretty quick with the mop.) —LactoseTI^T 14:53, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I redirected Kim Jae-gyu to Kim Jaegyu as the latter has been around for much longer. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 15:28, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Makes sense. Why didn't I think of that... —LactoseTI^T 15:40, 8 September 2007 (UTC)