Talk:Nihon Kokugo Daijiten

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[edit] Speedy delete tag

Sorry I stepped on someone's speedy delete tag... I had seen that the article title was a valid topic but never contained anything except patent nonsense, so I went ahead and wrote a stub. The Hokkaido Crow 02:02, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Problems

The Problems section does not specify which edition (first or second) the criticism is leveled against. Nor does it list any references for the criticism. The first bit of criticism is about not consistently listing the oldest usages. However, there are no examples given to illustrate or refute the point. The second issue is about incomplete etymologies and lists two examples. I have just now looked up アルカリ in the second edition and it does indeed mention the Arabic origins. アルコール does not, though. However, in regard to etymology, neither terms entered Japanese via Arabic, so it is debatable whether there really is a need to mention such information. At the very least this section needs clarification for which edition it is referring to, and ideally some references should be listed. Bendono 06:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm for removing the problem section, unless somebody is capable of substantiating its content with a significantly more in depth explanation and/or citation. The first part, as it is right now with the comparison to the OED, seems particularly problematic to the extent that it levies criticism that would more or less seem to be at odds with the Nikkoku's stated standards for usage examples, specifically that they do list the example thought to be oldest. I'll wait a week or so and remove the first part.

As for the second part about etymology, as Bendono states, it's not entirely clear why "full" etymology would be desirable for the dictionary or why it would constitute a "problem". There's other information pertaining to words, such as some gauge of current usage frequency, that could potentially be included, and so I'd wonder exactly what quality of the lack of full etymology it is that constitutes its mention here. I suppose I'll wait for comment before touching that part, though. MentaikoMayo 18:29, 4 November 2007 (UTC)