Talk:Nigel Short

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Contents 1 old talk 2 Nickname 3 Controversy 4 Lead sentence 5 Death threat and cheating in match against Kamski? 6 dunderhead and BCM derision

[edit] old talk

Who is the strongest British chess player of the 20th century? Unquestionably Michael Adams is the strongest British player of the 21st century and indeed he had eclipsed myself already by the late 1990s. However, I would argue that my achievement in reaching the 1993 World Championship is the single greatest achievement by a British player during the 20th century. I have been ranked third in the world, for a period of 18 months, Michael has never been higher than fourth. Others doubtless beg to differ with what is, after all, a subjective opinion, but that is why the opening sentence says "widely regarded" and not "is". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nigel Short (talk • contribs)

Egads this fellow takes himself seriously, doesn't he?  SmokeyTheCat  •TALK• 10:57, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nickname

Short is universally known as 'Nosher' amongst other chess players. This is because 'Nigel Short' is an anagram of 'Nosher L. Git' Apparently he's not so keen on this but hey that's life Nosher. SmokeyTheCat 15:11, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, he's not keen on the name at all. He became furious at being called that during an online discussion, at which I was present. I'm not sure but I think the late Tony Miles gave him that nickname. Pericles899 18:38, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Smokey, please stop this repeated vandalism of this page. Your edits have been reverted repeatedly, yet you refuse to stop. Quale 02:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It's not vandalism. It's a piece of interesting trivia. SmokeyTheCat  •TALK• 08:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC) Nigel "Nosher" Short is as much as part of this subject as Alex "Hurricane" Higgins or Jimmy "Whirlwind" White. I really cannot see why anyone objects to this.  SmokeyTheCat  •TALK• 08:29, 26 June 2007 (UTC) I have re-inserted the line with 4 links to prove that it is not vandalism. Jim Plaskett, the late Tony Miles and almost every other British chessplayer of note refers to Short as Nosher. Maybe Americans don't 'get' the British sense of humour but Short is British after all. SmokeyTheCat  •TALK• 10:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Can somebody provide sources for this nickname business? tia, --Tom 17:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I gave four links but Skarioffszky deleted them all.  SmokeyTheCat  •TALK• 08:44, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

The links did not back up the info you added to the article; a webpage somewhere on which someone calls him "Nosher" is not proof that he is "universally" or "affectionately" known by that name. Stop trolling. Skarioffszky 11:56, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I am not trolling. Everyone on the British chess scene calls Short Nosher and I gave several links showing this to be so. SmokeyTheCat  •TALK• 09:03, 29 June 2007 (UTC) Here are the links again:-

http://www.chessville.com/instruction/Openings/Martin/Mar04a.htm] [1][2][3] but just Googling 'Nosher' + 'Short' will give loads more.  SmokeyTheCat  •TALK• 09:06, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Googling '"Nigel Short" + Nosher' gives me no more than 27 unique results (including several wikipedia mirrors). Not exactly widespread. And nothing about your sausages. In fact, one of your own links refutes you - in the review of Tony Miles: It’s Only Me, Don Aldrich writes: "Later he refers to Nigel Short as ‘Nosher.’ We are finally let in on the joke — his anagram of Short’s name is Nosher L. Git." So apparently he had never heard of the nickname before. But you want to use this article to support the claim that Short is "universally" known as Nosher. Skarioffszky 10:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

That's an old article by Aldrich. Everyone in British chess knows Short as Nosher now.  SmokeyTheCat  •TALK• 10:53, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Nosher is only one of the nasty names Short is referred to by. The chess magazine Kingpin have used it for example. Is it worth mentioning on wikipedia? Probably not. Smokey the Cat is certainly not trolling by mentioning it though.--ZincBelief 21:22, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

• Smokey is trolling, given the number of times he's added it to the article after being asked to stop. Every edit he's made to a chess article that I've seen has had WP:NOR or WP:NPOV problems. See Talk:Vladimir Kramnik#Only the human world champion for a good example of Smokey's "helpful edits" on chess biographies. Quale 15:24, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Depends on your definition of trolling I suppose. Nosher is an offensive pseudonym that is out there, so he's right on that (not trolling). Trying to place it the article when asked not to(trolling, yes as it's offensive, no as it's not made up)

I am not trolling. Quale just seems to lack a sense of humour is all.  SmokeyTheCat  •TALK• 09:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy

This section looks a little feeble to me, snide remarks made by Nigel are not really controversy are they? Possibly his withdrawal from the Isle of Man tournament could be called contravertial, but I really think you need a little more to create this section Smokey. Otherwise I would have to agree, you appear to just be trolling.--ZincBelief 10:59, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I see we have somebody else now adding copious amounts of spurious material to Nigel's homepage. This Dyfed Open tale seems like sloblock to me.--ZincBelief (talk) 13:14, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

This material has been inserted a number of times, but as it fails WP:V I've removed it once again. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:20, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lead sentence

As it reads now..."is often regarded as the strongest British chess player of the 20th century." Is this sourcable and do folks agree with this? This seems like a pretty lofty claim, not that I am denying it. Anyways, --Tom 15:15, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

It seems reasonable to me. Nigel Short is the only player to have challenged for the World Championship (well reached the final). Michael Adams has also reached World Number 3 ranking. Who else would one regard as strongest?--ZincBelief 16:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Death threat and cheating in match against Kamski?

He makes such claims in an interview.? Happily ever after 11:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] dunderhead and BCM derision

Is there a source for this update? I can't find much, perhaps reference should be made to the english chess federation's letter of support for Nigel available at [4]. Also, there is a chess.fm interview with John Watson where Nigel discusses the issue, but I don't believe any new facts were brought to light in it. --65.12.178.244 (talk) 10:50, 24 December 2007 (UTC)