User talk:Nichalp/Archive34
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[edit] Clarification
From User talk:Srikeit: as Nichalp did when he tried to gatecrash the Aucaman arbitration and decided to try and get Zora banned -- err... from this statement it appears that I was trying to get Zora banned, which I was not. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 11:46, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- I didn't word it very well. I meant "he" in the sense of Anwar, and was referring to you rebutting Anwar's claims against Zora. Sorry.ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 00:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] For the man who has everything
I think this one suits you pretty well. --Idleguy 04:33, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, perhaps this also,
ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 04:46, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I should look more carefully. It's still a lot (18) so keep it. :)!
[edit] FPC
Hi again Nicholas, and thanks for your note. Regarding the photo of the Hiranandani Complex, I'll do my best to give you an opinion on it although do take this with a pinch of salt as I'm no photographer myself, and I freely admit that most of what I know about digital photography has been the result of hanging about here at FPC since last summer. After being so critical on the FPC nomination I really wish I could give you an unqualified 'Yes!' on this one but I have to say I think it would struggle at FPC for technical reasons — although I guess retaking it would be possible for you since you live in Mumbai. Specifically, the white balance looks a bit warm and there is chroma noise in the shadows that would be difficult to correct; and only the area round the truck is in focus. I'd crop out some of the foreground too. Lastly, people do like to see detail on buildings, the more the better, so if the development in the background is part of the main subject I'd consider retaking it with more than one frame, and a bit earlier in the day while the light is stronger. Stitched-together panoramas have become pretty much normal for cityscapes. Is that some kind of racing track? Looks like fun :-) ~ Veledan • Talk 19:29, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rani Mukerji page
Thank you for blocking me. I learnt my lesson. I know I was rude and way out of my mind. I am going to apologize to Zora. But hear me out too. She kept reverting my edits without thought. It was rapid. She could've edited and incorporated some of my ideas like others did. Or she could've just left the page as it is for others to dwell on. Anyway, I think you should check out Rani's page now. It is much professional. Zora cut all the references from it earlier. I had to put them back. Plumcouch and Pa7 were doing great until Zora changed everything to back as it was. Now, the page is much more up-to-date. Please ask someone to tone it down if they think I did more than required but please ask Zora not to revert my last edit completely. Thank You! shez_15 19:49, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Delhi
I think the article is ready for a peer review. The only major work left in my eyes is creating an article on Municipal Corporation of Delhi and New Delhi Municipal Council. Any suggestions?? Cheers --Incman|वार्ता 00:05, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Nichalp, I think WikiProject Indian cities has very strict rules regarding the content of articles on Indian cities. For example, shopping is an integral part of Delhi's culture and deserves its own subsection. But going by the guidelines in the concerned WikiProject, it should not be there. Also, isn't Sports a part of the city's culture? Then why have an entire section on it? Another question, why shouldn't there be any subsections? --Incman|वार्ता 04:59, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
- Nichalp abd Deepak, one thing we should remember, this project has produced 6 FAs. So the effectiveness of the guidelines is beyond doubt. However, with a lot more cities being worked on (2 are in peer review, and at least 2 more getting readied), it's high time we review the project, may be get some feedback some others. Some sort of flexibilities can be incorporated, keeping in view the diverse nature of the cities, as Deepak has pointed out.
- Too much subsectioning rather hinders the reading. Also makes the ToC clumsy. However, a ew subsectioning is acceptable/ However, subsectioning creates another problem. Thebalance of size between different sections is lost (with subsections, Delhi culture is gonna be much larger than, say, Economy of Delhi. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 10:00, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wikimeet
Hi Nichalp, I've had a tough month, tight schedule and some Internet issues; shall soon be putting up an excerpt and video online - never got around to put an organized document about the meet. There were many blog posts about the meet and some photos on flickr, though. And the meet was covered on all the major Newspapers. Anyways, shall link to those in my write up. More later. --H P Nadig * \Talk \Contributions 05:33, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Zora
I have tried to talk to Zora but she still reverts my edits. If you could just go to Rani Mukerji's page and see it for yourself. She keeps cutting down all the references which are required on a page. You can look back in history and compare my version to Zora's. I think you are really respected here. You are my last hope into judging this case. I haven't done anything wrong, simply, upgraded Rani's page into something more professional. I have asked Zora to tone it down a bit. But she keeps reverting it to a month older version. Thank you! shez_15 01:18, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Advance wishes
Hi Nicholas, advance wishes for this as I may not be editing on that day. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 09:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Locator map of India
Just noticed on my watch list that India-locator-map-blank.svg is FP. Congratulations. - Aksi_great (talk) 17:29, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Featured picture promotion
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Congrats. Great work. -- bcasterline • talk 17:34, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Joseph Vijay article
Hello, Nicholas, sorry to bother you again. We have a small problem at the Joseph Vijay and Ajith pages -- again. An anon (I'm not sure if it's the same anon, since there are frequent IP adress changes) keeps vandalizing the page. (Just check to history -- it's really hard to miss). Could you maybe protect the page for a while so not-logged-in-users may not change it? Maybe s/he'll adopt a user name and we can properly talk to him. Best regards, --Plumcouch 18:46, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] IIT for FAC
Hi Nichalp,
Can you please do a quick review to tell if the IIT article is ready for FAC or not. I have addressed almost all the issues and feel its about time. Looking back when I said similar words the last time, I understand that there was still a lot of ground to cover before FAC. I hope it will be upto your expectations now. If not, please tell what more can be improved. In the meantime, I have standardized the references which bloated the article by another 5kb, though nothing substantially more was visible in the article. I asked Nirav about it and he thought that size isn't a critical issue if the article is good enough. Hopefully I will be able to put it up for FAC before next week with your help. Seeing that before you used to point major flaws and now you are pointing minor corrections, I feel that the time is getting nearer. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 20:06, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rani Mukerji
I did follow Lindsay Lohan's page in particular. My format was being used on the page for a month until recently when zora reverted everything back to a month older version. So, it's not me who's been reverting. It's zora. Anyway, I thought you might help me! I know you're busy! But on my part, I tried to segment the page and make it informative. What zora's version gives is only facts. There is no flow in sentences. I guess you won't help me! But please don't block me for working on Rani's page. I'm seriously using Lindsay Lohan's format. I don't think you saw my version. I told you to go in history. Well thanks but no thanks! shez_15 18:18, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] map
The maps looks good now. Thanks!--ragesoss 03:54, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
- It's featured now. Celebrate! -- Sundar \talk \contribs 04:03, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] mania
Wikimania is in Boston this summer... any chance you can come? :-) +sj + 11:49, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ahmedabad PR - Time to close?
Hi. Should I close the PR now? I have addressed (or tried to) most of the issues there, and taken note of what things need to be done. What about your deep review? Many pics were added 3 days back (thanks to Srikeit). But the Geography and Demographics don't have any images. Any suggestions? - Aksi_great (talk) 14:04, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comments. Lot's of work still left. Will get on it. Thanks. See you in June. - Aksi_great (talk) 15:45, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reporting Vandalism on Mahatma Gandhi's page
Hi Nichalp, Can you pls semiprotect Mahatma Gandhi's page. It is being constantly vandalised by anonymous users. Just see the page history. ramit 17:56, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for the protection Nichalp. ramit 14:00, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
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- Yes, thank you, Nichalp! ॐ Priyanath 15:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] requesting your help as a bureaucrat
Hi Nicholas - could you please guide me on the deletion of two user IDs that I created - Nirav.maurya (talk · contribs) and J i s h n u (talk · contribs)? While the latter was my first incarnation and has contributions and talkpage histories, the latter was an ID I created while trying to decide a new user ID - I settled for Rama's Arrow after rejecting this one. Both have been completely inactive for close to seven months, and they are of no use to me (or WP, I feel). So I request their deletion. Rama's Arrow 03:06, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
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- Hi - thanks for clearing that up. I'll let those be. Rama's Arrow 03:52, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] State maps
Hi Nicholas, I have uploaded the maps into Commons per your instructions.
Image:India-TAMILNADU.svg
Image:India-KERALA.svg
Image:India-GUJARAT.svg
Please check. - Ganeshk (talk) 13:36, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
- One more thing. Can you please upload the India blank locator map to Commons too? It would be easier for me to link to the original work for attribution. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 13:54, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Minor problem with the SVG map of Organizational Structure of IITs
Hi,
I can see a black rectangle besides the Organizational Structure Image. Is it deliberately added? Furthermore, I think you missed a line below Director/Deputy Director that connects to the next level below. The image added by you created the impression that HOD, President (student's council), etc are below Registrar. Also, can you make few more corrections. "President Student's Council" should read "President, Student's Council" and "Chairman Hall Management" should read "Chairman, Hall Management". Also, the text in some boxes is not centralized. I tried to correct them myself after installing Inkscape, but the image is not editable. Thanks for the improvements. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 15:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
- I have fixed the problems. The reason I was not able to edit it was that I downloaded the thumbnail and not the image itself :D. I think I can try the locator map myself. You need not worry. Thanks, -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 16:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
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- Oh, you already did it. Thanks. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 16:26, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Image Tagging Image:EmblemofIndia-small.png
See your discussion page on commons. -- skINMATE 16:27, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Re: Audio needed
Hi Nichalp, Here is the audio pronunciation you wanted. If you require any modification or any more pronunciations please feel free to ask me. Thanks Srikeit(talk ¦ ✉) 17:47, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Detroit, Michigan - A final look
The peer review is almost up and I was wondering if you can have a final look at it. Thanks. PentawingTalk 18:18, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] IIT map
Hi Nichalp - just to note in case you've not noticed, your map spells "Roorkee" as "Rourkee." Rama's Arrow 04:36, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
- Done. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 05:25, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks. I will keep these in mind. Will post new question shortly. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 06:14, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] PINQ
Hi, you need to ask the next question on WP:PINQ. Rgds., --Gurubrahma 04:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Copyright question
Is it alright to use the pics & maps here ? They are from the 18th century. Tintin (talk) 05:45, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Kerala map
Any idea why the Kerala map on Wikipedia is not mirroring right? - Ganeshk (talk) 15:57, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
- It looks deleted (image tab is red). If you check the edit tab, it will be blank. - Ganeshk (talk) 16:12, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
- The last change I made in Commons is not reflecting on the Wikipedia version. I changed a color attribute. Not sure why. - Ganeshk (talk) 16:43, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] regarding User:TAIWAN
I am the original blocking admin of this user. As you can see from their contributions TAIWAN (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) The user is not a vandal. However I did request that this user change their username because of the potential conflicts of having a username of a nation/state/dispusted reason, (for more backstory see Wikipedia_talk:Username#Names_of_countries.2C_or_of_large_or_disputed_regions) I asked the user to please file a request on WP:CHU, however the user never made any acknowledgement to my message so I blocked them. Another user placed the indefinate tag on their userpage. Then I agreed to unblock them so that they could file a request. However this user editted an archive instead [1]. Which is why I attempted to make the request on their behalf. Basically I don't want to completely drive this user away from the project, and I just wanted you to be aware of the situation because I noticed your reasoning for denying the request. I have asked the user to make a request again, this time in the correct location, however judging from his/her prior use of talk pages, and prior misreading (or misinterpretation of) the instructions, I am not certain my message will get across. -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 17:29, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] India post
I noticed you added India post SVG. The logo should read "INDIA POST". Your version reads "INDIAN POST". Please correct. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 18:28, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
- Done. BTW, one can fix this problem without even having an SVG editor. Just open the file in notepad and save after fixing. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 18:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Urdu stuff
there's a lot urdu in these articles which i think shouldn't really be there: Special:Contributions/Ahmed27--Dangerous-Boy 17:30, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- Also, your help here would be appreciated: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Indic)--Dangerous-Boy 23:19, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] DYK!
Thanks for your efforts! and especially thanks for working the hook over to make it better, much appreciated! ++Lar: t/c 05:19, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- Congratulations! Thanks for letting me be a part of this. My first DYK involvement! Cheers. Srikeit(talk ¦ ✉) 07:14, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] List of Chief Ministers of Tamil Nadu
Hi Nicholas, I made some updates on the article. Please advise any changes required to make it featured list standard. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 07:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- I added a legend for colours. The list includes dates of each term that a person was in office for. Example: MGR. I added the term column that shows Karunanidhi in his 5th term now. I am still looking for the party of Kurma Venkata Reddy Naidu. I thought of adding photos. But since we do not have photos for all of them, there will be too many blank spaces. - Ganeshk (talk) 18:09, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
- Please see Proposal for a split and comment. - Ganeshk (talk) 16:33, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Just a Heads Up
Just as a heads up, there are a couple issues at the bureaucrats' noticeboard that need some attention and you seem to be one of the most active at this time of day. Your assistance would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. joturner 12:26, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Thanks for the great India map
I have used it to create the map indicating the location of Rajasthan. Great to have a map it is possible to edit. I have just started to fill in a tiny bit of a huge hole on the norwegian wikipedia (The states of India). In that respect I needed the map, as the old map was ugly. Regards. Haros 23:30, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] IIT article
Hi Nichalp,
As you might have seen, the lead image has been exchanged with the location of IITs. This was done after Nirav opined that use of the locations' image would clutter the "IIT Family" section. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 06:56, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
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- Hi Nichalp,
Can u pls see the article Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh . A group of ppl are trying to blank out a major portion of that article. In trying to restore it, it looks as if i broke the 3RR yesterday. I am not sure abt how to proceed further.Bharatveer 07:04, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] IIT Dilbert pic removed
Hi Nicholas - the IIT Dilbert pic has been removed by Cedar - he's arguing the image is not FU becoz its not in an article about Dilbert. Please provide an FU rationale and reinstate the image if you can. Rama's Arrow 04:25, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Indian English
Hi Nichalp,
I went through Indian English article as part of guideline for writing article, but this didn't clear up my doubts. Specifically, tell me if its correct to use:
- organize (against organise),
- organization (against organisation),
- recognize (against recognise),
- specialize (against specialise),
- subsidize (against subsidise),
- minimize (against minimise), and
- liberalize (against liberalise)
Thanks, -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 11:22, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Summary for Rail transport in India
Hi Nichalp,
I am currently looking into selecting "Today's Selected Article" for Portal:India. Rail transport in India is a selected article on Portal:India, but currently a summary is not available for this article. In order for it to appear on the main page of the portal, can you please provide a summary with an image on this page on the same lines as existing articles do. Thanks, -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 18:14, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Image Image:Candlelightmarch.JPG and others
Hi! hmm. I did not know the cc-by-nc-2.5 licence is not allowed in WP. This is a problem as all the images in 2006 Indian anti-reservation protests are originally under that license. I have written a mail to the probable owner of the images for permission. Let's see. Are you gonna tag those images for deletion? I hope we can wait foe some time. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 08:21, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- Ok I received the permission to use the photos from the owner, Dr Santam Chakraborty in PGI, Chandigarh. I have added that info on the image pages, but did not give any link to the email (which is not possible I guess). If anybody questions, I shall be able to forward the email/ or make contact with the owner at once. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 10:24, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Locator maps Image:India-locator-map-blank.svg
super work with the map nicholas, ever since your message, ive been too lazy to make an svg map and had stopped work on updating my maps. thanks to your wonderful effort i can get busy again.
i opened up the map in illustrator and did some more work on it. for starters i fixed a lot of gaps and organised the layers. ive also made each state a seperate path, so that it will be easy to highlight them for state locator maps or other demographic info.
as this is a FP, im not overwriting but will update my modifications to Image:India-locator-test.svg --< PlaneMad|YakYak> 15:59, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Back Logged In...
So after some logged off edits you are back. Looks like you didn't log in because of editing from a compromised PC. Why don't you try Taxman's method. Create an ID User:Nichalp in exile and edit from it :D. Anyways, I will select the summary myself. Don't worry. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 17:57, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cat for deletion
Hi. Can you delete Category:Hindu politicians? It has been decided to delete it at CfD. I have emptied the category and listed it here. But there seems to be a lag there. So can you do the needful. - Aksi_great (talk) 18:32, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks. That was fast work. - Aksi_great (talk) 18:39, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] {{Infobox Indian Jurisdiction}}
Thanks for the suggestions. I made some changes ([2]). I hope you and others can comment on the city categorization and color scheme used at {{Infobox Indian Jurisdiction/urban-type}}. Saravask 20:23, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- Right now the template defines the categories "metropolitan city" (assigned color #9CAFB4), "capital" (#778899), "city" (#6495ED), "[district] headquarters" (#3673c5), "district" (#D8BFD8), and "#default" (#6495ED). The "#default" cat is assigned to all pages that don't designate one of the above cats. So I need comments on the number of cats (are more needed?) and the current coloring and style/layout. Thanks. Saravask 06:57, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- Sounds good; it's removed. Saravask 07:26, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Template:In the news
Hello, Nichalp! Long time no see - I hope you're doing well. Anyways, I noticed that you switched the image on Template:In the news from the .png version to the .svg version. I had switched the preferred .svg file to a .png file because I couldn't upload and protect the .svg version; thus, I switched it to a .png version, which I was able to upload and protect, and then left a request on WP:AN, which seems to have gone answered. Because the .svg image is still unprotected (the image has to be uploaded and then protected; protecting only the image page leaves the image vulnerable to vandalism on Commons, where all changes are reflected here) I've gone ahead and switched the flag back to the protected .png version until the .svg version can be uploaded and protected. Again, see WP:AN#Image protection for more information. Many thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 23:58, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Indian current events
Hello Joturner, Not sure why you have merged the Indian currents events with the Pakistan even after the consensus did not indicate an unanimous vote of support. Please explain on my talk page. - Ganeshk (talk) 03:57, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- One more thing, It was an archive page of the news displayed on the Portal:India news section. - Ganeshk (talk) 04:01, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- Indeed, there was no unanimous support, but that unanimous support is not needed to achieve consensus. However, it appeared as though there was a general okay to merge several of the regional current events articles on the merge's discussion page (which, by the way, has been up for a few weeks now). Considering that the page for current events in Pakistan hasn't been updated since March, it only made sense to merge the two related articles into one section. The inclusiveness of all South Asian nations into one article will also allow for events from Bangladesh and Nepal, for example, to be included on one of the regional events pages. Could you please explain the problem you have with the merge? Of course, the Current events in South Asia page needs to cleaned up to reflect the change, so overlook that for now. As the page will still contain past current events for India, is it really a significant problem for Portal:India and Portal:Pakistan. I don't think it's a big deal, but perhaps you disagree. joturner 04:15, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- I disagree with the merge. As long as the Indian current events page is active, there is no reason to merge. Pakistan related events may have not been updated since March, so it would better to mark it as inactive as is done to inactive wikiprojects. Merging is not the solution and there was no consensus or even proper support to merge the news pages on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Current events =Nichalp «Talk»= 10:47, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- I resplit the articles back into two different articles, one for Pakistan and one for India. joturner 14:58, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- I disagree with the merge. As long as the Indian current events page is active, there is no reason to merge. Pakistan related events may have not been updated since March, so it would better to mark it as inactive as is done to inactive wikiprojects. Merging is not the solution and there was no consensus or even proper support to merge the news pages on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Current events =Nichalp «Talk»= 10:47, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Thank you for your comments in Lar's RfA!
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Hi Nichalp, and thank you for your good questions and supportive comments in my request for adminship! With a final tally of (109/5/1), I have been entrusted with adminship. It's been several weeks since the conclusion of the process, so hopefully you've had a chance to see me in action. Please let me know what you think! I look forward to seeing you involved in DYK more, and as we touched on in discussion in the RfA questions, I promise to give FA a go when I have some time, and know who to ask for advice! Thanks again, and I will do everything I can to justify the trust you've placed in me! ++Lar: t/c 03:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC) |
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[edit] Thanks for the input on Pashtun people
I was kind of mirroring the Tamil people page as that's a featured article and it has as many sub-sections, but I did remove 2 subsections that I thought could be subsumed. I'm working on copyediting it as well and will try to shorten the article as much as possible. Check back in a day and see what you think then. Let me know. Ciao. Tombseye 17:35, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Blnguyen's RfA
Hello Nichalp. Thank you for your support at request for adminship which ended at the overwhelming and flattering result of (160/1/0), and leaves me in a position of having to live up to a high standard of community expectation, especially yourself as a bureaucrat. Of course, if I make any procedural mistakes, feel free to point them out and I look forward to working with you in the future, Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 06:20, 30 May 2006 (UTC) |
[edit] Thanks!
Thanks for ur msg.I think we have came across each other b4.Perhaps thru Mumbai article? (~~)
[edit] Sources
Well ,I will google for that.I had read the history through Marathi books and Acharya Atre's biography.I dont think those books have an ISBN no.But I can get names and photograph of title page. You can also confirm from any other sources if you want. (mahawiki 16:33, 30 May 2006 (UTC))
[edit] Iqbal
Hi Nicholas - I request you to please have a look at Muhammad Iqbal. I need your help in making this an FA. Rama's Arrow 12:31, 31 May 2006 (UTC)