Talk:Nicky Hager

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Contents 1 Sources 2 Photo? 3 Weasel words 4 More weasel words 5 NPOV 6 Start classification 7 Edit notes 8 Further edit notes

[edit] Sources

• GOVERNMENT UPFRONT ON CORN SEED

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0207/S00306.htm

• JUDGE RUBBISHES STORY SIS SPIED ON MAORI

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10119987

• JUSTICE NEAZOR'S REPORT

[PDF, 69 pages, 6.11 MB] http://media.apn.co.nz/webcontent/document/pdf/sis_report.pdf

• DON BRASH RESIGNS

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10412124

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Khephre (talk • contribs)

Ok, I'll unprotect the page. Please use the ref tags and NPOV wording. Happy editing. ... al Seabhcán bin Baloney (Hows my driving?) 01:21, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Photo?

Anybody got a photo of this guy to upload? ... al Seabhcán bin Baloney (Hows my driving?) 11:58, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Weasel words

From the article: However on November 23, 2006, Brash announced his resignation from the leadership of the National Party. Although Brash claimed not to be doing so as a result of the book, contrary evidence has been present that suggests it is likely he did resign as he believed he was tainted by the allegations, or that the book would force his caucus to move against him.

So basically the author here is alluding to "contrary evidence" without actually saying what the evidence is. Sounds like Weasel Words. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.56.21 (talk • contribs)

[edit] More weasel words

Although not a member of any political party, he generally writes about issues of interest to the Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand. -- What the hell does that mean? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.56.21 (talk • contribs)

[edit] NPOV

Hagar is regarded by some commentators are being an activist-writer. NPOV tag added to reflect that.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.155.137.251 (talk • contribs)

Could you explain in more detail what it is that article says or doesn't say that you think is wrong? Is it that the article doesn't call him an activist? If so, feel free to add that, with an appropriate citation. This is not a reason to put the {{totallydisputed}} tag on the article, so I have removed it.-gadfium 20:09, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Hager cannot be classed as an activist. To be an activist implies some sort of physical activity (not simply writing) or pushing an agenda in a very vocal manner. Hager does none of this and is only known for his books and articles. It is interesting to note that the anon edit came after the news story about spying by a Solid Energy contractor on Save Happy Valley Campaign activities. It is not relevent to an encyclopedia article that "some" commentators call him an "activist-writer". Any person in the public eye, espectially those that put forward information who some would like to see supressed, will collect any number of labels that are used as ad hominem attacks. The article should refer to Hager as what is generally accepted as his stance and include notable references as to how he is regarded by notable commentators. Alan Liefting 22:42, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

The back cover of two of his books do say he was a "political campaigner" and "actively supporting public interest campaigns". I think this may have been prior to his career as a writer. This will need some research and added to the article. Alan Liefting 23:13, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

AFAIK, He has also taken part in the so-called "Campo Antiimperialista" in Northern Italy [1]. --Asterion^talk 20:50, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Start classification

I have reclassified this article as a start. It is quite extensive and sourced. Capitalistroadster 10:07, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit notes

There are three pieces of text that I have removed:

• One allegation in the book has been discredited ^{[citation needed]}, primarily as Hager did not have complete information about all the incidents described. This was that the National Party used its Parliamentary Funding for election advertising, which subsequently was found to be paid by the Party.

I have detailed both Brash's explicit statement from the primary source and Hagers response;

• This was a particularly relevant allegation as the main Government Party, the New Zealand Labour Party, had used over $800,000 of its Parliamentary budget in the 2005 New Zealand election funding controversy.

this is tangential to the discussion of Hager's book and Brash's specific criticisms

• The extent of the material obtained by Hagar has led to National Party officials to claim it must have been obtained using illegal electronic interception, hacking or burglary. The New Zealand Police launched an investigation into these claims which continues.^{[citation needed]}

this it is unsourced.

I'll add some other material on other sections later.--Bob Burton 23:40, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Further edit notes

• there was no citation for the claimed apology by the SST; I can find no evidence that there was one.
• the previous posting did not include any mention of the letter to the editor by the SST's editor.--Bob Burton 05:44, 1 July 2007 (UTC)