Talk:Nicholas Medforth-Mills

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A fact from Nicholas Medforth-Mills appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 6 January 2008.

The following writing is careless:

This article was nominated for deletion in the past. The result of the discussion was merge and redirect to an appropriate article.

. To start. the nomination was not in any way proper, because it was not tagged on this article. Shilkanni (talk) 14:34, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 Pretender 2 Unsourced 3 surname 4 Sneaky delete procedure 5 Not (yet) a member of the Royal Family

[edit] Pretender

He is the potential next-in-line pretender to the Roumania throne. His cousins and sister aren't that notable, but because he stands a chance of being the possible pretender sometime in the near future (his grandfather is in his eighties) he should at least be kept. Morhange 18:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Morhange. He is actually quite likely to become the pretender when his grandfather, aunt, and mother die (or possibly just grandfather and aunt, depending). I'm removing the proposed deletion business. Sent it to AfD if you want. john k 18:14, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unsourced

Still an unsourced stub. References are not optional, and websites aren't generally reliable sources. If the subject is notable, reliable sources will exist. If they don't, the article shouldn't be here. Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:06, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Which parts of the article are unsourced? I can add a reliable source, but what exactly needs to be sourced? Morhange 00:33, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I suggest that the claim to be 84th in line to the British throne and 3rd in line to the Romanian one strike me as the sort of things that need references. If, as John says below, there is some doubt as to who ex-King Michael wants to succeed him as non-King of Romania, that would be sensible to include as well. Doesn't Debretts, or similar works on European nobility, cover this sort of thing ? Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Surely some websites can be treated as more or less reliable sources. Paul Theroff's Online Gotha has always proved reliable when checked against printed sources, for instance. The basic genealogical information is widely known, and easily available. I'd imagine Burke's Royal Families of the World lists him, for a start. The idea of him as third in line for the Romanian throne should certainly be sourced, however. According to this website, linked on our page about King Michael, he declared in 1997 that Margarita would be his heir as head of the Royal House of Romania, but not actually heir to the throne of Romania, whose succession laws he did not have standing to unilaterally change. It also says that Elena is second in line, leading to the conclusion that Nicholas is probably next. But we should get a better source than that. john k 01:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

(especially since said website contains some glaring errors, like calling George IV "William III" - probably just a brain fart, rather than due to actual ignorance, but still unfortunate). john k 01:54, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] surname

I read somewhere that he (or his mother on his behalf) prefers and wants him to be known and used under surname "de Roumanie" (or Roumanie...) - what is the actual name he uses, in real life? This needs to be investigated from real sources, and then the name this article be in accordance with "best known as" principle. Maed 05:01, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

He's best known as Nicholas Medforth-Mills. I think the de Roumanie precedes his surname. Morhange 17:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sneaky delete procedure

This article was in Afd (Nov 2007) really really sneakily. As part of a list of seven to-be-deleteds. Either the proposer of the deletion is a supporter of Hohenzollern male-line succession bias, or was unaware of the stated succession designations/wishes of king Michael I of Romania. The result of that AfD should be reverted. Shilkanni (talk) 06:17, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

WP:CRYSTAL. There is not enough unique, personal information on Nicholas to warrant a separate article and the nuances and less subtle aspects of the succession are discussed at the article Line of succession to the Romanian throne. Coverage here would be a carbon-copy of coverage there. Also, it is not in good faith to state something is sneaky when it really was not. Charles 06:46, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Interesting view. Really exceptional. Particularly that claim that the succession is sufficiently discussed at the referred article, because as of this date, there appears no mention about Nicholas Medforth-Mills. Interesting attempt for, how should it be expressed, sort of misinformation. I would regard that somewhat sneaky. Shilkanni (talk) 14:34, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I had accidentally put Line of succession to the Romanian throne instead of the intended Romanian Royal Family. You, however, are being blindly uncivil and not assuming good faith. The latter is a guideline but the former is Wikipedia policy. Charles 14:41, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Not (yet) a member of the Royal Family

To quote the Fundamental Rules:

Article 2, Sec. 7: Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth-Mills, who shall assume the title, style and rank of Prince of Romania and Royal Highness (jure sanguinis) on 01 April 2010, upon his 25th anniversary, or immediately upon the demise of the current Head of the Royal House of Romania, which ever is sooner and at such a time shall enter the order of succession to the Headship of the Royal House of Romania, with full entitlement upon succeeding.

And:

Article 2, Sec. 10: Children or consorts of themembers of the Royal Family of Romania who do not bear a Royal title, are not members of the Royal Family of Romania, but members of the larger family of King Michael I and of the Royal House. A complete list of the larger family is included in the Genealogical Register of the Royal House of Romania.

Nicholas is not a member of the Royal Family, but he belongs to a dynastic group (the royal house). Charles 03:33, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Changed this talk title to reflect this reality accordingly. Lil' mouse (talk) 03:49, 31 December 2007 (UTC)