Talk:NHL uniform

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[edit] Move?

I would like to suggest that this Rbk Edge article be moved to the title NHL uniform or NHL jersey, with (eventually) a full history of the NHL jerseys/uniforms. hockey jersey currently has some information, but it is mostly on NHL jerseys which should be a specific article, not just "hockey" jersey. the Rbk Edge would just just one of the headings of the NHL uniform/jersey article. Thoughts? TheHYPO 22:30, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd be OK with that. There certainly isn't so much information here that it couldn't be merged into some larger article. Croctotheface 22:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to go ahead with this since there hasn't been any negative feedback on it TheHYPO 07:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm not on board with this move, though. It doesn't actually add anything. If you want to create a larger article, fine, but this is not a better home for the same old article. If you want to go with a move request, go to WP:RM. If you want to expand the article such that it would be more appropriate for a more general article name, then I'd support doing so and moving the article afterward. Finally, NHL uniform is the correct rendering, if the article does end up here, since it is not a proper noun. Croctotheface 07:12, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Socks?

Can anyone confirm whether players all use identical socks (same brand and model) or if they can choose their own brand like pants, helmets, gloves, skates, etc.? Thanks. TheHYPO 08:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge Hockey jersey into here?

All but maybe one sentence of that article talks about the NHL. If we want this artilce to be comprehensive, let's bring that information into it. Croctotheface 00:20, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jock Tags

I didn't think it made sense/was accurate that the Authentic jerseys had jock tags either, but I looked all over the net for any image, be it an auction, store site or anything that had an actual photograph of an 07-08 authentic jersey other than the stock generic photo, and I couldn't find a single one. Until there's a source, that shows they don't have a jock tag or something to reference, I don't think it can be deleted. I'd like to see what the actual team stores in team's own arenas are selling, as those would be the most "official" sources of jerseys, I'd think. NHL.com clearly lists not only in its buying guide, but also on the jersey page themselves that authentics have jock tags (NHL/Centre Ice ones with #ed sizes, as opposed to just NHL ones with letter sizes for replicas - since they mention a whole different style of tag, it seems unlikely to be a typo...). I'm not suggesting anyone is lying or mistaken about what they've seen, but until it can be corroborated by others, it seems like it should remain a mention on the talk page TheHYPO (talk) 21:59, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

The information on nhl.com is conflicting, therefore how can they be used as a credible source, the image on their own site clearly shows there is no jock tag despite what the style guide says. It is also common knowledge to jersey enthusiasts that there is no jock tab. Therefore, by your logic I think the whole jock tab section of the article should be omitted until a consistent source can be cited definitively instead of having false information on the page. I walk past the NHL store in Manhattan every day, looked at the jerseys minutes before making my post and own a jersey purchased from the NHL online store and all referenced jerseys have no jock tab. The only difference between the actual jersey the players wear and the Edge jersey in stores is the "center ice collection" tag sewn inside the neck-line of the jersey. 66.65.3.96 (talk) 22:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Here is an ebay auction picture; this is clearly an authentic Edge jersey sans any "jock tags" and has the retail tags still on the sleeves proving it is a consumer model.66.65.3.96 (talk) 23:08, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Also see this which gives a detailed look at both the replica and the Edge jersey. 207.237.92.240 (talk) 00:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Thanks for the references. I'm still going to clean your edit up though, and point out that nhl.com lists this and may itself ship jerseys with jock tags unless there is proof that they don't even do that. TheHYPO (talk) 05:44, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
In looking closer, the second link you posted, is comparing a replica retail jersey to a Kabrele game-worn jersey. While I don't necessarily doubt the seller's information, It does not itself show a retail authentic jersey in comparisson to a retail replica, and I don't think it can be used as a source. TheHYPO (talk) 05:53, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

The reason this is important is because there are very little resources on the Internet about these jerseys and less than honest people try to sell replicas as authentics. If someone sees on Wikipedia and gosh even on nhl.com that these jerseys have a jock tab when in fact they don't, they can be taken advantage of. 206.15.101.44 (talk) 16:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't deny that it should be accurate, but concern #1 is is that wikipedia info be sourced. Wikipedia is not a buyer's guide, and it's purpose is not to correct erroneous information from other sites. TheHYPO (talk) 07:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
I understand, however there seems to be a lack of sources for this entire thread, and then one out of the three sources on this page happens to contain faulty information. So as soon as it becomes clear that a source is faulty or contradictory, however official that source is, it should be documented in the copy that questions exist. As it stands now, a reader understands that the information is in question, and thats all I cared about. But if the NHL had on their site, a win counts as 4 points in the standings, and everyone knows that to be false it would be wrong to source that, then tell everyone else who corrects it that they need to find a source for their corrections; then not accept any because they are not as offical as the NHL. See the catch 22 here? So short of me getting the NHL to fix their site it would be impossible to meet those standards. I would say that correct information uncited is better than false information cited- and if there is any question it should be left out or clearly indicated that the facts are disputed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.15.101.44 (talk) 23:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)