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[edit] Merge proposal

Shockwave Rider (mecha) into Nextwave, and edit it down to a much smaller piece - because fun as the 'Rider is, it doesn't warrant its own article. It parodies a couple of aspects of the Authority's Carrier, but it's not a major part of most storylines. --Mrph 00:00, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

  • Merge and edit down --Mrph 00:00, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge NetK 02:22, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge and edit down - Lex 02:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge - Scarlettspiderg 18:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge --Chris Griswold (☎
  • Merge Palendrom 20:23, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

☓) 17:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

  • MergeTehPhil 16:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Decision is to Merge Brian Boru is awesome 20:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

  • I don't know. The Nextwave article is so good as it is that I'd hate to add unimportant information to it (I mean, how important has the Shockwave Rider been to their story so far?). I guess, if you had to merge them, you can cut down some of the Shockwave info and maybe put it into a subsection of "Plot." - Lex 04:34, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I'd agree - that was more or less what I was thinking of. Sorry, should have made that clear - comments amended accordingly. --Mrph 07:25, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In the Marvel Universe

The only thing that suggests that Nextwave does not take place in the Marvel Universe is a remark by Joe Quesada at a hype panel that it is considered to be a separate universe for the time being. This sort of information is pretty unreliable, per the WikiProject editorial guidelines. Otherwise, there is no reason to believe that this series is separate from the Marvel Universe. Marvel characters appear in the series, Monica and Aaron look like their Nextwave incarnations in the other comics they appear in, Monica refers to Nextwave when talking to Black Panther in his series, and Black Panther and Storm receive a huge gun from Dirk Anger at their wedding. This is all much more reliable than promotional information. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 04:25, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

The article makes a good point that the flashbacks are often out of character or just plain wrong, like Monica using her powers as a child. Nothing in the present-day storyline breaks the world, though, so I see no problem with the flashbacks being comic asides or simply fantasies (either on the part of the characters or, indeed, the author). KingAndy 23:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I find that comics fans often have trouble accepting the events of humor comics as part of the continuity because they don't always make perfect sense when making a joke. You don't need to make sense of Nextwave; all you have to do is accept that it has its own internal logic but that it does fit into the Marvel Universe. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 23:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually, wouldn't Quesada's comments be more reliable? After all, we have citation that he said it's not considered in continuity. Sure, there may be references in other series, but that does not necessarily equal "in continuity". It's fiction, after all, and they could just be references to the title rather than saying "these Nextwave stories take place in the same milieu as these other Marvel titles". Take, for example, the Marvel Age titles. WesleyDodds 09:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I believe the comments of the editor, Tom Brevoort, in an interview about the actual series to be much more reliable than those of Joe Quesada, who was at a convention at which he is trying to please fans of Marvel in general. Plus, Quesada said the same thing about other series, Alias in particular, in response to criticism from nervous fans. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 19:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Use of the word "Canceled"

"Canceled" implies that the book was a failure in some way and it was forcibly ended because of this failure. Ellis statements basicly said the book WAS a success, but not to the degree to warrant Stuart Immomen's current page rate. Both Immomen and Ellis have said they want to do more. The plan was originally for Ellis to pass the book on to another writer anyway, but said that he found he enjoyed writing it immensely, and does want to do more, however he feels Immomen is essential and doesn't want to do more without him. So they have stated they will return at some point in the future when Immomen's has time to do work for cheaper

All this being said, "canceled" again implies some kind of failure, which is not true. The option was also available to have other, less expensive creators take over the book, but the artistic decision was made to keep it to Ellis and Immomen. Therefore, "Canceled" is far too strong a word choice, I feel, and not wholly accurate. Something like "the series was brought to a close for reasons X, but will return" is really what should be written, not "canceled" Elijya 05:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

But canceled is the most accurate word. They canceled the series. They ended it. When you end something and scrap your previously announced plans for something, that is called canceling it. Warren Ellis used the term in his most recent mailing list e-mail, which prompted me to change it back. --05:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I was unaware of the mailing list. I still think it's not wholly accurate word choice, though, for the reasons already stated. "Canceled" still implies a failure, when it was an artistic decision not to pass the book on into other hands. Elijya 18:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
My understanding is that Marvel believed that income vs. expenditure meant that the book was not sufficiently profitable. That's not entirely an artistic decision. The Warren Ellis decision that he wouldn't continue to write NextWave with a different/cheaper artist is an artistic decision, but is still a result of sales figures... so "cancelled" works for me. --Mrph 23:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ambiguity

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Someone more knowledgeable may edit ambiguity statements to the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.100.124.219 (talk) 17:27, 30 April 2007 (UTC).

Well it took a while, but there. --Kizor 16:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)