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[edit] Compliance with Wikipedia rules

Your comment, you both are over enthusiatic to edit, delete and vandalise this article as much as possible claiming "good faith". I are sure that you both are working hand in hand in this process of vandalising an article by bending policies of wikipedia [1] is a violation of WP:AGF, WP:CIVIL, and WP:NPA.

I disagree. When some editor deletes the content with malicious intent, it is important to stop vandalism.
I think you miss the point. Yes, it's important to keep valuable content in an article. But there are right ways and wrong ways to do so. You can do all the edits you want to articles and still follow the three rules I cited. Those three rules in no way prevent you from standing up for what you believe in. What the rules do say is that commenting in certain ways about other editors - whether what you say is really true or not - is not acceptable.

Moreover, your statement, in the same section, that Ireland is a country where 5% people marry is sheer nonsense. In fact, 57% of those aged 15 years and over in the Republic of Ireland were married in 2003.[2] And many of the 43 percent that were single are young and will eventually marry. Please do not add completely false statements to article discussions.

I agree and I apologize for that false figure. The real figure is 5 per 1000 people.Newageindian 17:18, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Correct, that is the annual marriage rate. And you're correct that in Ireland the overall marriage rate is quite low. If the average lifespan is 80 years (I'm pretty sure, without looking, that that's about right), then if the marriage rates stays at 5 per 1000, only 40% of the population would end up married.

Please review Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines - talk pages are to discuss improvements to articles, not to make comments to other editors. If you have problems with the behavior of other editors (and, generally, it is not appropriate to discuss or speculate on motives), post to the user's talk page, as I am doing here, not to the talk page of an article.

Thanks for this information as I am a Wiki Newbie.Newageindian 17:18, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Finally, your request that I want Indian editors to do the editing and I am sure thats not unreasonable is in fact totally inappropriate. Wikipedia grants to no person any special privileges for editing, per WP:OWN, nor is any class or group of people authorized in any way to exclude others from editing. If you don't believe that other editors are, for the most part, reasonable people with whom you can reach agreement on article contents, then go elsewhere. If you are willing to work with others, regardless of their background, then please stay and help improve the encyclopedia. John Broughton | Talk 15:59, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree that it is inappropriate to ask for "Indian Editors". But, editors have to exercise some patience and go beyond google search to evaluate an article. The two editors were clearly vandalising the article just because they disagree not with the article, but the goals of certain Indian Social Organisation.Newageindian 17:18, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Again, I ask that you not comment about the motives of other editors. That is not acceptable under Wikipedia's rules. You should focus on the edits, not the editors. John Broughton | ♫ 03:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Compliance with Wikipedia rules - further discussion

Thank you for your civil responses, above. As your are new here, I hope that you will consider some further changes in order to work constructively with others.

You posted Both Fisherqueen and Cailil are not Indians and they have little knowledge on the subject and still, due in shear intolerance, they deleted large number of citations and content from the article with malicious intent to push it towards an Afd.[3]

Again, I ask you to read WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL. What you wrote would have been acceptable (not really constructive, but at least not violating the rules) if it had been ''Both Fisherqueen and Cailil are not Indians and I believe they have little knowledge on the subject. They have deleted large number of citations and content from the article.

I hope you see the difference between the two - why the second is okay, but the first (your version) is not. Words like shear intolerance and malicious intent do not lead to any kind of working relationship between editors. The belief here - and, perhaps strangely, it does work almost all of the time - is that editors with different views can actually reach consensus about articles if they follow Wikipedia rules.

I'm going to add a standard "welcome" section to this page, below. I really suggest that you stop editing until you've had a chance to read the rules that I've cited, above, and the rules mentioned in the welcome, and then thought about them. I hope that after you have a chance to do so, you'll see that you can still follow the rules while making changes to articles (that put or keep valuable content in them), but that there are certain things about the way you argue that just can't be done here without getting into trouble.

Again, thanks for the civil response, and I hope that this initial difficulties can be worked out. John Broughton | Talk 22:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome

Welcome!

Hello, Newageindian, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Again, welcome!  -- John Broughton | Talk 22:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome to Wikipedia:WikiProject India

Welcome!

Hi, and welcome to the India WikiProject! We're a group of editors working to improve Wikipedia's coverage of India.

A few features that you might find helpful:

There are a variety of interesting things to do within the project; you're free to participate however much—or little—you like:

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If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask another fellow member, and we'll be happy to help you. Again, welcome! We look forward to seeing you around! ­ Kris (talk) 01:06, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit summaries

Sorry to bother you again, but another request: please use edit summaries, per Wikipedia:Edit summary. It's not mandatory, but other editors really apprecdiate it! Thanks. 68.48.230.9 02:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for this info. In fact, I have never filled an edit summary as I was not aware how to do it.Newageindian 05:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Necessity of Independent Dowry death article

I was just doing some work listed in Category:Articles_to_be_merged; I don't have any expertise in this area, or indeed any knowledge at all. I certainly won't stand in your way. There didn't seem to be any talk about the merge in either talk page so I didn't think it was controversial.

Since Bride burning is a pretty substantial article, I would suggest not swapping the redirect, but just undoing the merge and expanding the Dowry death article on its own, leaving two separate articles. Rpresser 14:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you.

Just a note to express appreciation for the civility of your comments at Talk:Save Indian Family. As I may have said before, it can be frustrating when editors don't agree, but one of the things that has made Wikipedia successful is the ability of most editors, most of the time, to focus on the articles, not personalities. So again, I appreciate your focusing on the content of the article. John Broughton | ♫♫ 15:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject India Newsletter: Volume II, Issue 1 - January 2007

Project News
  • Project tagging:After a brief edit war over the addition of {{WP India}} to ancient archaeological sites now located in Pakistan, a "pre" parameter was introduced to remove the ROI flag from the template for pre-1947 articles, following discussion. After another large discussion on ANI alleging that the automated tagging by Ganeshbot and LostBot was "nationalistic", Ganeshbot was briefly blocked. Currently, the bots are again in action.
  • Swastika on Hinduism templates:Recently, an extremely large and at times emotional debate broke out regarding the use of the swastika on Hinduism templates, given its association with Nazism. As a result, {{Hindu Links}} now contains an educational message about the use of the swastika, as discussion on a more permanent resolution continues.
What's New?
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who helped to develop the above
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  • Weekly Collaboration (Shortcut:WP:INCOTW): Collaboration of the Week has fallen from its once high feats. Please drop by and help rejuvenate it.
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  • Before we sign off, Happy New Year, everyone.
This edition special
  • Translation Department: Can you read and write any languages of India? Do you know multiple languages and are looking to keep your skills at a high level or improve them? If so, the Translation Depeartment may be for you!

The translation department of the India WikiProject aims to utilize high-quality non-English material related to India for the goals of the project. This includes both translating articles from and to other-language Wikipedias as well as assisting contributors with non-English sources. The department aims to provide services in transliteration, formulating scripts for various languages, as well as translating articles from one language to another and validating sources in other languages to that of the encyclopedia article. If you are looking for a friendly translator here is your go-to point. Currently, we are still seeking representation for Kashmiri, Nepali, Oriya, Sindhi and Tulu, as well as reinforcements in all other languages.
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[edit] WikiProject India Newsletter: Volume II, Issue 2 - March 2007

Project News
  • Jimbo's visit to India and the WikiCamp in Chennai: Jimbo recently visited India in late February and early March on wiki work. This included a trip to a WikiCamp in Chennai. The one day conference attracted 300 participants from across India and beyond dealt with issues facing wikis ([4]). It was widely covered by the press, eg The Hindu( [5]), which cited the efforts of Bhadani (edit count), Sundar (leadership on Tamil Wikipedia) and Ganeshk (Creation of Ganeshbot to create articles on Indian towns from census figures). Ganeshk himself travelled from California to attend the conference.
  • Wikipedia Weekly 15: Wikipedia Weekly, a informal Wikipedians' program that purports to give "A weekly audio roundup of Wikipedia happenings with news, interviews and roundtable discussions" recently interviewed two prominent editors Rama's Arrow and Ragib(listen). The entire 34 minute interview was entirely about the world of Indian subcontinent wiki-happenings, and was the first episode which was not entirely dominated by discussion of wiki-politics and wiki-bureaucracy, with the host Witty lama praising the efficiency of the project and its proliferation of featured content. Rama's Arrow cited the team spirit, friendship and respect among project members in discussing its success and FA productivity, as well as discussing subcontinental wiki-conflict. Ragib talked also of his public campaign to raise awareness of the Bengali Wikipedia in his native Bangladesh, which has seen a 30-fold increase in article count over the past year.
What's New?
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  • Welcome to the March 2007 edition of our newsletter.
  • Congratulations to one of our most respected writers, bureaucrats and administrators, Nichalp, who is now entrusted with the oversight permission. In addition Riana has joined the administrative ranks after a successful RfA.
  • On a sad note, Nobleeagle, who was responsible for the creation of the Punjab WikiProject, and was largely responsible for Indian cricket team, Bhagat Singh and Lage Raho Munna Bhai becoming GAs, as well as working heavily in Indian religious and cricket work, has left the project after having his identity revealed.
  • More generally, certain Indian users have recently been subject to real life harassment by banned users, etc. If this is affecting you in real life, please do not hesitate to contact Wikimedia board members for assistance, or ask a senior Wikipedian to solicit help on your behalf if required.
  • Nishkid64, a prolific contributor and administrator, is currently undergoing surgery to fix a congenital heart defect. You can wish him well here.
  • Weekly Collaboration (Shortcut:WP:INCOTW): Collaboration of the Week has fallen from its once high feats. Please drop by and help rejuvenate it.
  • As before, we'd like to stress, this is your newsletter, and we want you to be part of it as well. Provide us with news tips. It can be anything related to the project, from discussions to calls for help, and other interesting stuff within our community. Sponsored content for recruitments within your WikiProject sub-groups are also welcome, including requests for copyediting, photographic work, peer review, etc. We'll be very happy to include them here.
This edition special
  • Translation Department: Can you read and write any languages of India? Do you know multiple languages and are looking to keep your skills at a high level or improve them? If so, the Translation Depeartment may be for you!

The translation department of the India WikiProject aims to utilize high-quality non-English material related to India for the goals of the project. This includes both translating articles from and to other-language Wikipedias as well as assisting contributors with non-English sources. The department aims to provide services in transliteration, formulating scripts for various languages, as well as translating articles from one language to another and validating sources in other languages to that of the encyclopedia article. If you are looking for a friendly translator here is your go-to point. Currently, we are still seeking representation for Kashmiri, Nepali, Oriya, Sindhi and Tulu, as well as reinforcements in all other languages.
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[edit] Indian collaboration of the week news

As mentioned in Wikiproject India newsletter of March 2007, the weekly collaboration of the Indian wikiproject has fallen from its once high feats. This message is to request the users to visit the collaboration page and help rejuvenate it.

The present collaboration of the week is Religion in India. Please go through the talk page of the article to see the proposed changes in the article. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:45, 17 April 2007 (UTC)