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[edit] CE timeline

There are no reliable sources regarding there are Newtypes in the CE timeline.

  1. The characters never mentioned such word
  2. The official website uses no such word, both Japanese and English
  3. The official data files uses no such word
  4. The only source given by unregister supporters is merely a blog translating another blog entry stating the director said the term in a situation that cannot be tracked. The original untranslated blog entry obviously has an extra sentence after the said paragraph of the so called "evidence" of the said annonymous users (search for newtype to find the article) and the original untranslated blog (search for NT for said paragraph), the original paragraph containing the last sentence 当初の企画の名残。 which means This was the original plan, and is not translated into the said evidence of CE timeline having NTs. This renders the evidence not reliable, AND proves the NT idea was not implemented into the story due to a change of plans. But of course, blog entries are not reliable sources anyway and thus I did not use it as a source in any article.
  5. All the related technology in written source states High spacial awareness instead

MythSearcher 10:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

But I believe the term 'Newtype' still applies. At least, flashes similar to those from the UC timeline are visible and only the "newtypes of Cosmic Era" have the ability to pilot a unit equipped with DRAGOON technology (which is similar to the fin funnels of the UC timeline) Joppyhoppy 05:33, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

There is a different wording for the ability to control the first generation Dragoon, it is called Spacial Awareness(or Spatial, I just don't know the different between these two words, the original Japanese term used is 空間認識力) Pilots need to have a high spacial awareness to be able to control Dragoon, in SEED-D, the second generation Dragoon description on Legend and S-Freedom stated specifically that the new interface for the Dragoon was built such that the pilot does not need to have high spacial awareness like Mu to control them.
The term does not apply since no official sources use it. Just because they are similar does not provide the means of calling it newtype ability. A term in the UC world does not cross to the CE world, they are parallel worlds and does not interfere with each other, thus the words do not carry the same meaning. MythSearcher 06:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Then how do you explain the flashes? And newtypes do exist beyond UC, i.e. Gundam X 220.255.92.242 11:33, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

It does not have to be explained, how do you explain flashes in the Onimusha series? How do you explain fire in the background when characters are encouraged in other series? It is merely a graphical representation of something the character sensed. Some NTs have flashes does not mean all NTs have flashes and also does not mean having flashes makes them NTs. A lot of NTs do not have flashes, not even in UC novels and mangas. If there is no official settings, then it does not have to be explained in an wiki article. And yes, I understand there are NTs in the AW series, but the main concern is UC and CE in this debate. UC and AW specificly stated about NTs, have official sources stating there are NTs, but there is no such wording in the CE timeline, and thus, there are no NTs in CE. MythSearcher 08:08, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I think that the conversation between Rey and Kira during their final battle was thru telepathy. If it's really telepathy then I think that they may really be newtypes. I guess it'll be the best if we could just put "possible newtype"219.74.146.76 14:06, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Why not use normal communication when there is one? It looks like telepathy? Then by the definition of wikipedia, it is speculation, and per WP:OR and Wikipedia's policy, it should not be included. The word possible is just original research/speculation. MythSearchertalk 15:00, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
From what I know of CE mobile suits are not capable of contacting enemy units. Just poking in. 220.255.153.128 12:17, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
From what I know, the International SOS channel is still usable in the CE timeline (Lacus Clyne SOS signal in SEED uses this), and it is normally used for communication with enemy units. MythSearchertalk 12:58, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Since no consensus is made here, I added 'Possible Newtype' to all likely subjects and people who appears to have high spacial awareness, since no official source openly admits, or denies the existence of newtypes in CE. 220.255.77.192 13:26, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
This is not what people call no consensus. This is what people call official. The official statement claims that Newtypes only existed in the planing and did not go into the actual story and settings, thus there are no Newtypes in CE. End of story, the end, stop bringing it up again with speculation. MythSearchertalk 15:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
No, instead the term used in the interview can actually mean either "we planned to add newtypes but pulled them out in the last minute" OR "our plan at production is to incorporate newtypes in CE". And, how would you like to explain the flashes? They are exactly the same as the newtype flashes in UC. Until now, there is no official statement that explains whether newtypes exist in CE or not, so I suggest using "possible newtype" as they appears to have abilities similar to newtypes in UC. 220.255.74.8 03:15, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
What you are saying is we should use fan speculation instead of official wording? Officials did not have anything about possible Newtpe. There are no such wording used, and officials claimed that they did not use the wording at the end. Flashes meant nothing, a lot of stories got flashes, the newest Super Robot Wars OG anime Divine Wars got flashes, too. MythSearchertalk 16:21, 1 April 2007 (UTC)