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[edit] Village and Ward

I agree that the strength of the Green Party is noteworthy (in fact, the Newsome ward was the first place in the country that the Greens gained a seat on anything, ever). However, I believe this article should be about Newsome village. Newsome ward is a large area of over three square miles that includes most of Huddersfield town centre, Lowerhouses, Lockwood, Berry Brow, Taylor Hill, Primrose Hill, Armitage Bridge, Ashenhurst and Salford. I don't think information about these villages and areas have any place in an article on Newsome.

I think information about Newsome ward should be taken out and, if necessary, put in its own article. Any objections?

Heavens To Betsy 15:38, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Agreed! The article is on the village, not the ward, each village area has an article where one has been started. Political information regarding the ward spans several villages and hamlets within Newsome ward , so should not be placed on any specific article, but should be dealt with centrally in the Kirklees article. Richard Harvey 17:14, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. This is a hugely notable feature. Anyone coming to this article will undoubtedly be interested in it. What is important is that relevant and interesting information can be quickly identifed by the casual reader rather than being too prescriptive as to the content. It would not fit well in the the Kirklees article since that does not have a ward by ward commentary.
I think part of the problem was that the political info occupied half the article. I have shrunk that section and expanded the rest of the article so it is now in proprtion. I have taken off the stub since the overall length seems about right. I have reduced the size of the splendid photo since it wouldn't fit on a 800x600 screen. It now fits all screen modes, clear of the info box. 'Click here to enlarge' is not needed - that applies to all WP photos. The article is now fully referenced. BlueValour 03:13, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, as I mentioned above, it is a notable feature, but of the ward, not the village. They are far from being the same thing. If Newsome had a village council that met every Wednesday tea time in the church hall to discuss how many lights should go on the Christmas tree outside the post office over a spot of tiffin (or something of that ilk), then information about that village council would be at home in this article since it would only have jurisdiction in the village. The ward covers a significant number of other villages that each have their individual identification. For us to decide to put ward-specific information on an article about only one of the villages it covers is wrong. So as not to be biased, we may as well put exactly the same information in the articles on Berry Brow and Lockwood which, of course, would be silly. This is exactly the reason why there is a Huddersfield article and a separate Huddersfield (constituency) article. At the moment, I don't feel there's enough information to warrant an article for the ward itself (though this may change in the future), so I think it should go on the Kirklees page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heavens To Betsy (talk • contribs)

[edit] Voting

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[edit] Agree

  1. Richard Harvey 17:14, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
  2. Heavens To Betsy 13:06, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
  3. Yorkshire Phoenix (talk • contribs) 15:31, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disagree

  1. Epa101 20:46, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
  2. BlueValour 00:23, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Folks, please remember that voting is evil: it isn't fair, it discourages consensus, and it has no binding editorial power. Continued discussion above will get you further than this vote will, I assure you. ×Meegs 09:17, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] OK, let's move this forward!

I agree with Meegs that voting will get us nowhere; there are just too few editors interested! Simply dropping this into the Kirklees article is just moving the problem since it would be equally isolated there because that article does not discuss council elections. However, if you are determined :-), then I suggest:

  • Add to the Kirklees article a heading 'Council elections'.
  • Give the date of the last election, compostion of council with net changes and other interesting results.
  • Then add the Newsome para.
  • Leave the first two sentences of the Newsome 'Political' paragraph.
  • Add an adaption of those two sentences to the articles of other relevant villages. BlueValour 22:55, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
"... just moving the problem since it would be equally isolated there because that article does not discuss council elections." Yes, but I think it should. I agree with your suggestion of having a dedicated elections section on the Kirklees article. However, I would only keep the first sentence of the current Political section in this article. It's the second sentence where it starts talking about the ward being a safe Green seat. As you say, it would then be right to add that sentence identifying Newsome Ward on each village's page (with a link to the Newsome Ward description on the Kirklees page perchance).Heavens To Betsy 09:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Information added to Kirklees article. What do people think? Heavens To Betsy 13:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Great job; sorted. BlueValour 16:41, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transport

RE: Trams? That is interesting. Could you please provide further info about a tram service to Newsome? I am only aware of there being a tram line along Lockwood Road, then along Bridge Street and up Woodhead Road. It was replaced by the Trolley Bus, the terminus was the small roundabout at the bottom of Taylor Hill Road, next to the allotments, above the Churchyard. My understanding is that there was only a Trolley Bus to Newsome Village. Richard Harvey 18:10, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

My apologies, I may have mixed up trams and trolley buses. A couple of old guys I talk to (admittedly, in the Fountain) reckon there was a tram (their words) running up and down the length of Newsome Road into town (they were talking back in the 40's and 50's). Maybe they considered both too similar to distinguish (though I'll grant I don't think they are). It was just a mad fancy to add it, especially since I can't currently cite any reference. I'll remove it forthwith. Thanks. Heavens To Betsy 10:34, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Err! No I actually believe there was a tram, but I don't know the exact route. I was seeking further info to help substantiate it. I am aware of an old drawing that showed a Tram apparently going over Kings Mill Bridge, but I had been told it was jut a drawing and not actuall. Perhaps the forthcoming work on the bridge will reveal if there was a single line, as a backwards - forwards shuttle service. Or better still that the service may have gone up to Newsome and down Scar Lane to Lockwood and back into town as a circular route in both directions. Richard Harvey 17:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)